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View Poll Results: The United States is:
Not an empire at by any stretch. 24 37.50%
Sort of an empire, but not a full-fledged one. 26 40.63%
Definitely an empire in every way. 9 14.06%
Difficult to determine in terms of being an empire. 5 7.81%
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-26-2015, 10:21 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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To me, it seems unique. The USA is the only country I can think of in world history that engaged in brutal armed warfare in somewhat random places that had no geographical proximity nor value, with little to be gained except a show of force "to send the right message". Didn't even steal the gold. Just killed people for their own good and then abandoned them. Unique.
A related discussion to this is - Why do Americans know or care so little about many of the wars that the U.S. has been directly or indirectly involved in over the course of history? If you ask most people, even those who are highly educated, they will be completely in the dark and shocked about it.

Most Americans consider the U.S. to be a normal and even a peaceful nation. The perception is that certain other countries are actually the aggressors in the world and need to be monitored.
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Old 09-26-2015, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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A related discussion to this is - Why do Americans know or care so little about many of the wars that the U.S. has been directly or indirectly involved in over the course of history? If you ask most people, even those who are highly educated, they will be completely in the dark and shocked about it.

Most Americans consider the U.S. to be a normal and even a peaceful nation. The perception is that certain other countries are actually the aggressors in the world and need to be monitored.
Most people in the world know about their country's wars because they took place on their own soil, and their own civilians were casualties, and their troops were defending their own homeland at risk. Americans have no such connection with any of America's wars since the civil war.
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Old 09-26-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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No, the word "empire" is just so.... 18th century sounding.

Humans and our cultures today are very integrated, there really is no big powers.. the USA is very powerful and influential but the USA has some heavy influences from Mexico, China and the UK.
I agree with you. The word "empire" simply has so many associations that do not fit the present-day world that to invoke it can only be as a poetical metaphorical flourish or worse an outright bit of very loaded propagandizing.

It just isn't about today.
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Old 09-26-2015, 01:09 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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No, it is done for the opposite reason. Iran would be perfectly stable, and a good neighbor within the region, if they were left alone, but the US doesn't want a stability anchored by an influential Iran. America picks and chooses who the good guys are, and has no hesitation at all about destabilizing countries that do not kiss America's ass. How the hell does our support for Israel foster "regional stability"? How many countries would "start a world war" if it were not for a US presence? Do you think the "crazies" would even think of that as a deterrent? How many major wars has the US deterred, compared to the number the US has frivolously started itself? US troops are there to destabilize nations and start wars when things don't seem to be going our way, which means favorably to US corporate profis.

The US actually has battle-ready troops in only about 20 countries, most of them naval bases. The AFRTS claim that they reach US military personnel in 177 countries includes the marine in parade dress standing by the front door of the US embassy in Swaziland.
^^^This exactly!!!
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Old 09-26-2015, 01:20 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Most people in the world know about their country's wars because they took place on their own soil, and their own civilians were casualties, and their troops were defending their own homeland at risk. Americans have no such connection with any of America's wars since the civil war.
Exactly and the Civil War is still fresh in the minds of Americans despite how long ago it was. That is really the only war the US has had that has memorial battlefields.
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Old 09-26-2015, 02:33 PM
 
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The US fought the British and gained independence during the American Revolutionary War. There is even a Holiday for it on the 4th of July. I can't even imagine any American not knowing this.

Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941 killing 2,403 Americans and drew the US into world war II. It's a pretty significant event to not know.
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:07 PM
 
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The politicians don't broadcast the fact, but there's no doubt. The USA is an empire. And it's been that way for a long time.
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Old 09-26-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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The US fought the British and gained independence during the American Revolutionary War. There is even a Holiday for it on the 4th of July. I can't even imagine any American not knowing this.

Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941 killing 2,403 Americans and drew the US into world war II. It's a pretty significant event to not know.
Yes, Americans do know about WWI, WWII, the Vietnam War, the Korean War, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. But they know next to nothing about the scores of countries that the U.S. supplied arms to during the cold war with the Soviet Union, for example.

The U.S. continues to sell billions of dollars of weapons all over the world even today. But that is never a topic in any cocktail party I've been to. LOL.
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Old 09-26-2015, 04:05 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Yes, Americans do know about WWI, WWII, the Vietnam War, the Korean War, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. But they know next to nothing about the scores of countries that the U.S. supplied arms to during the cold war with the Soviet Union, for example.

The U.S. continues to sell billions of dollars of weapons all over the world even today. But that is never a topic in any cocktail party I've been to. LOL.
And if it's not on the network news, it must be just a rumor. Americans do not believe anything that is not reported on our corporate network news.
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Old 09-27-2015, 04:56 AM
 
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Most people likely don't even notice that their country has U.S. military bases. So, I don't think it equates to ruling those countries or interfering in people's lives.
‘Okinawa without US bases’: 1000s march against foreign military presence in Japan
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