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Old 01-18-2019, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Right on Harper not being more left-leaning than Obama. My guess is that while most Canadian Conservatives, Tories, and Christian Democrats (although the latter is to a lesser extent, as Catholicism still promotes some social welfare) may in fact be more supportive of right-leaning positions than the Democratic Party, Harper is forced to accept that most Canadians would view the removal of their public healthcare system as an extreme-right-wing position,

I am fond of saying that politicians inherit everything their predecessors did and the expectations from the public about all of that.


Had Canada not already had universal healthcare for a long time in 2006 when he was elected, I strongly doubt that Stephen Harper would have been the man to give it to us.
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Yeah, Canada is honestly not that left either.
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Old 01-18-2019, 03:52 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Those rich countries you cite didn't start out with their entire population being high IQ and high achievers. And those social programs we're talking about (especially in the areas of education, health and training) are actually a big part of the reason they may arguably have fewer "low IQ" and under-achieving people today.
It is a little more complicated than that. Canada, western Europe, Australia, Japan, etc., don't have tens of millions of poor, uneducated people pouring across their borders from 3rd world countries.

The United States is in a unique (and rather unenviable) position of being a rich country with a nearly 2000-mile border with a poor country. This has had predictable consequences. Furthermore, too many countries in central and Latin America have corrupt governments and are controlled by gangs or drug cartels. They are pretty dangerous. No country is all good or all bad. I understand that. But it is a messy situation in the western hemisphere.
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Old 01-18-2019, 05:16 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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In an ideal world, the United States should have some form of universal healthcare and free public higher education. However, these things are not possible given the current demographics of the country.

There are too many low IQ individuals and under-achievers as a percentage of the population to make social programs like that feasible. Other rich countries don’t have to contend with these issues, certainly not to the same extent as the United States.
This makes no sense at all. So a person who's IQ doesn't reach what you or someone else considers acceptable should not be allowed healthcare? If we can afford to waste trillions on endless wars, don't tell me we can't do a better job spending money to help people who need it.
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Old 01-18-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Maybe they were never given the right opportunity to develop, which can be solved by improving public schools.
^^^This. Schools get funding largely based on home ownership in a certain area and home ownership is determined by the banks willing to give loans for homes. Historically,banks have redlined certain zip codes. This has a lasting effect which carries over several generations.
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Old 01-18-2019, 05:21 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Those rich countries you cite didn't start out with their entire population being high IQ and high achievers. And those social programs we're talking about (especially in the areas of education, health and training) are actually a big part of the reason they may arguably have fewer "low IQ" and under-achieving people today.
^^^This
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Old 01-18-2019, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Australia
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Those rich countries you cite didn't start out with their entire population being high IQ and high achievers. And those social programs we're talking about (especially in the areas of education, health and training) are actually a big part of the reason they may arguably have fewer "low IQ" and under-achieving people today.
Australian's European history started as a convict settlement! To be honest, I think we have done fairly well if you look at our early history.
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Old 01-18-2019, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Australian's European history started as a convict settlement! To be honest, I think we have done fairly well if you look at our early history.
But those convicts were not what we consider hard-core criminals today, were they?
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Old 01-19-2019, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Earth
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But those convicts were not what we consider hard-core criminals today, were they?
No I think it was generally petty crime like stealing, but still crime nonetheless.
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Old 01-19-2019, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Most immigrants to the US today, even illegals, aren't hard core criminals either.
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