New DNA Study Proves Real Origin of Ancient Egyptians (country, influence, travel)
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This one will cause a serious blow to the Afrocentrics and Panafricanists that make a big deal out of Ancient Egypt and Ancient Egyptians. It turns out, if we are to believe the newest DNA study, that they are related more to the Middle East and Europe and not so much with black Africans.
A few excerpts from the article:
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In a study published May 30 in the journal Nature Communications, scientists looked at DNA from 151 mummified Egyptians, which were entombed from about 1400 B.C. to just after 400 A.D., in the Roman period. They found that the genetic material within the mummies was more similar to ancient peoples of the Near East and the Levant (an area of the eastern Mediterranean including Israel and Palestine) than it is to modern Egyptians.
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The study also shows genetic linkage between ancient Egyptians and Neolithic peoples from modern-day Turkey and Europe, Schuenemann says.
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Three mummies had enough DNA preserved to allow the scientists to look at genes from throughout their genome. One of these had a gene “which contributes to lighter skin pigmentation and was shown to be at high frequency in Neolithic Anatolia,” or modern-day Turkey, the researchers wrote.
Ancient Egypt ends with the death of Cleopatra in the year 30 before Christ is born (30 years before Jesus). The following quote suggests that black African genes began to appear in Egypt at around the year 517 after Christ, a good 547 years after Ancient Egypt ended.
For comparison sake, currently it has been 524 years since Christopher Columbus discovered America. Food for thought.
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The study also suggests that gene flow from Sub-Saharan Africa to Egypt has significantly picked up in the last 1,500 years, likely facilitated by the slave trade, which began early in this time period.
Nothing in this study is that surprising honestly. Genetic studies of modern Egyptians have found that much of the Sub-Saharan African ancestry is from West Africa, and can clearly be dated to the Muslim era, meaning it's a result of the Islamic slave trade.
That said, there should be a few caveats:
1. These results are from the New Kingdom and afterward. There may have been shifts in ancestry from the Predynastic period to the New Kingdom. I think this is unlikely to have had a major effect, but I do think it's possible.
2. All of the samples are from Lower Egypt (e.g., the north of the country, closer to the Mediterranean). It may well be that SSA admixture was higher in ancient Egypt the further south you got.
3. Ancient DNA has found that shifts towards the modern West Eurasian phenotype happened slowly over time. For example, Mesolithic Western Europeans actually had dark brown skin, dark hair, and blue eyes. The samples tested in this particular case seem to have a similar skin color to Bronze age Phoenicians recently studied - swarthier than modern Europeans, but not dark brown. Since there seems to have been genetic selection towards lighter skin across much of Europe and the Middle East, as you travel back further in time it may well have been the case that even though ancient Egyptians weren't "black" by ancestry, they might have been pretty "black" in terms of skin color.
LOL...look at them jumping around with with glee in spite of the caveats of this "article"...funny how no one pays attention to research going the other way...enjoy yourselves
LOL...look at them jumping around with with glee in spite of the caveats of this "article"...funny how no one pays attention to research going the other way...enjoy yourselves
Do you have a recent DNA study that contradicts what this study indicates. If you do post it. What caveats are you referring to specifically?
Quote "We find that ancient Egyptians are most closely related to Neolithic and Bronze Age samples in the Levant, as well as to Neolithic Anatolian and European populations (Fig. 5a,b)."
This one will cause a serious blow to the Afrocentrics and Panafricanists that make a big deal out of Ancient Egypt and Ancient Egyptians. It turns out, if we are to believe the newest DNA study, that they are related more to the Middle East and Europe and not so much with black Africans.
A few excerpts from the article:
Ancient Egypt ends with the death of Cleopatra in the year 30 before Christ is born (30 years before Jesus). The following quote suggests that black African genes began to appear in Egypt at around the year 517 after Christ, a good 547 years after Ancient Egypt ended.
For comparison sake, currently it has been 524 years since Christopher Columbus discovered America. Food for thought.
I realize a long time ago white racists are in a pissy fit with black racists over caring about the Race of Egyptians. Any person who obsessive over the race of Ancient Egyptians are racist whether it's to prove their white, black. Who cares
"This one will cause a serious blow to the Afrocentrics and Panafricanists that make a big deal out of Ancient Egypt and Ancient Egyptians. "
Racist Hasty generalization created this whole quote
Because your generalization people who have a interest in study Africans culture with racists in the first place, that racist itself.
So instead of just saying black racist who obsessive the Egyptians being black,.... you choose to broaden it up say broad terms like Afrocentrics and Panafricanists which are not the same thing in itself but terms that just means someone into learning about African history.
This happen because racists have been using terms like Pan africanists negatively interchangeably and are so racist they don't care about the generalization.
OP, the DNA of the elite, those powerful enough to merit tombs, wouldn't necessarily correlate with the common masses. We can't make that assumption. So what the study seems to show is that the elite came from the Near East and parts of Europe. That was already known, to some extent. History shows that Egypt was invaded by a tribe from the Caucasus, the Hyksos, and we know that Jews and other Near-Easterners lived there during various historical periods, and it was a trade center, bringing people from all over the Mediterranean and beyond, to it. That doesn't mean there weren't mid- and sub-Saharan Africans and Ethiopians, etc. also living there.
OP, the DNA of the elite, those powerful enough to merit tombs, wouldn't necessarily correlate with the common masses. We can't make that assumption. So what the study seems to show is that the elite came from the Near East and parts of Europe. That was already known, to some extent. History shows that Egypt was invaded by a tribe from the Caucasus, the Hyksos, and we know that Jews and other Near-Easterners lived there during various historical periods, and it was a trade center, bringing people from all over the Mediterranean and beyond, to it. That doesn't mean there weren't sub-Saharan Africans and Ethiopians, etc. also living there.
Read the full text from the study instead of the article, the data doesn't support the bolded part of your paragraph or the body of your statement.
Egyptians are African, their race doesn't it matter to me IMO. Africa is Africa. That is why Pan-Africans should always include Egyptians and other North Africans when talking Pan-Africanism.
Read the full text from the study instead of the article, the data doesn't support the bolded part of your paragraph or the body of your statement.
Yes it does
"EGYPTIAN MUMMY" "In a study published May 30 in the journal Nature Communications, scientists looked at DNA from 151 mummified Egyptians, which were entombed from about 1400 B.C. to just after 400 A.D., in the Roman period."
The study was of mummies not the general population. So thread Tittle itself is misleading but I just ignored that.
As stated before there a pissy fit between white racist and black racist over the race of the Egyptians, when the location and time frame of thousands of years it's more likely it was diverse society.
Egypt is one of Earliest civilization because of this racists are trying cling to it as a specific race, racist they Egyptians want to be or not be "blank" race.
I mean any argument that relies on allegedly scientific ideas — whether genetics or phrenology — to claim that some racial groups are naturally superior to others."]I mean any argument that relies on allegedly scientific ideas — whether genetics or phrenology — to claim that some racial groups are naturally superior to others.
Gliddon was influenced by Samuel George Morton's craniometry and polygenist theory of human origins. Morton collected hundreds of human skulls from around the world and tried to classify them. Morton claimed that he could judge the intellectual capacity of a race by the cranial capacity (the measure of the volume of the interior of the skull). In Morton's theory, a large skull meant a large brain and high intellectual capacity, and a small skull indicated a small brain and decreased intellectual capacity. By studying these skulls he claimed that the evidence supported polygenism, that each race had a separate origin. Morton had many skulls from Ancient Egypt, and concluded that the ancient Egyptians were not African, but were instead Caucasians.
Morton claimed that he could define the intellectual ability of a race by the skull capacity. A large volume meant a large brain and high intellectual capacity, and a small skull indicated a small brain and decreased intellectual capacity. He was reputed to hold the largest collection of skulls, on which he based his research. He claimed that each race had a separate origin, and that a descending order of intelligence could be discerned that placed Caucasians at the pinnacle and Negroes at the lowest point, with various other race groups in between.[8] Morton had many skulls from ancient Egypt, and concluded that the ancient Egyptians were not African, but were Caucasian. His results were published in three volumes between 1839 and 1849: the Crania Americana, An Inquiry into the Distinctive Characteristics of the Aboriginal Race of America and Crania Aegyptiaca
I also think bizarre that in the discussions like this it's forgot that race itself is made social construct. "Near East and the Levant (an area of the eastern Mediterranean including Israel and Palestine" is some how turned into white people as If were talking about Anglo saxons it's bizarre. So now including people in in middle east to count as white people.
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Originally Posted by NigerianNightmare
Egyptians are African, their race doesn't it matter to me IMO. Africa is Africa. That is why Pan-Africans should always include Egyptians and other North Africans when talking Pan-Africanism.
Yes in that context but that's not what OP is doing he missusing the term pan Africanism and negatively, in a pissy fit or over race of the Egyptians.
I think over stressing Egypt is the result of racism itself, Because most of African cultures are ignore. There are more pyramids in Sudan then Egypt build by the Nubian, and Down in Nigeria Sungbo's Eredo is the single largest Man made structure during pre-colonial Africa not the not pyramid. But because the West Media only talks about Egypt leads the rest being marginalize.
But your right no matter what there color the Egyptian logically there Africans. As much as far east and India are both Asia.
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