ANWR Drilling (live, lawsuits, versus)

[RexLan]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Someone can feel the Gulf is "pristine" but it's not remotely so and you couldn't pay me to eat any fish out of there after the big oil spill. ANWR is pristine. There's no reason to expand the damage to more areas for a tiny amount of oil.

False assumption to base your reasoning on the premise that it will be destroyed. I think you're blind from your passion to save the world.

[RexLan]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Well if you aren't looking for information that will contradict your personal opinions you won't find it.

https://blogs.umass.edu/natsci397a-e...ldlife-refuge/

That's funny. You mean like you do .. hahahaha

Have you actually ready that? This is all you got ... lol. This is the "collective" wisdom of all those scientists?

I used to fly game surveys in summer for F&G and I can tell you that all those fish and all those birds and all those mice, hares, fox = BD. They are everyplace and ANWR is nothing special. I have been to Arctic Village several times - how about you? I spent a month in Umiat flying helicopters - how about you. Heck, you ever seen this pristine wilderness first hand or just TV and magazines? What part of the arctic did you homestead?

This is how the elites justify their existence - exploiting young students with stars in the eyes and sending them on virtually worthless specie surveys.

Do you think milk comes from the grocery store or from a cow?

Come on - it is great to advocate a position but please put some realism in it for us simple people.

[mizzile]

Yeah, saving the world, having clean air and water, preserving wilderness, what chumps!

[Music_Man]

I just love how all the pictures of ANWR are taken looking towards the mountains from about100yds away.

[Arktikos]

Originally Posted by stiffnecked

..In the ensuing 1/4 of a century science has proved that oil exploration doesn't affect caribou population or migration. I think it's a nonissue.

Science rarely "proves" anything, and certainly hasn't in this case. Link from ADFG shows ambiguity exists here. Caribou Calves and Oil Development, Alaska Department of Fish and Game

Caribou population is currently way down, for reasons not understood, but climate change is a major suspect.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by RexLan

That's funny. You mean like you do .. hahahaha

Have you actually ready that? This is all you got ... lol. This is the "collective" wisdom of all those scientists?

I used to fly game surveys in summer for F&G and I can tell you that all those fish and all those birds and all those mice, hares, fox = BD. They are everyplace and ANWR is nothing special. I have been to Arctic Village several times - how about you? I spent a month in Umiat flying helicopters - how about you. Heck, you ever seen this pristine wilderness first hand or just TV and magazines? What part of the arctic did you homestead?

This is how the elites justify their existence - exploiting young students with stars in the eyes and sending them on virtually worthless specie surveys.

Do you think milk comes from the grocery store or from a cow?

Come on - it is great to advocate a position but please put some realism in it for us simple people.

So multiple sources of peer reviewed research cited there can simply be dismissed with anecdotes from you? Obviously you didn't read any of what I linked to because it discussed species beyond simply "mice, hares, fox." Sorry but the anti-intellectual claptrap doesn't fly with me. Ignorance is not bliss, it's just ignorance.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by RexLan

False assumption to base your reasoning on the premise that it will be destroyed. I think you're blind from your passion to save the world.

So can you cite anyplace that has been exploited by the oil industry that has not experienced spills? Can you prove the oil drilling will have no impact on the caribou and other species there? Where is your evidence for your claim it will be safe? The burden of proof is on the side of the drilling supporters to prove it will be harmless.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Music_Man

I just love how all the pictures of ANWR are taken looking towards the mountains from about100yds away.

By your standards the Everglades would not merit any protection because there isn't a scenic pullout at every half a mile.

[Music_Man]

A swamp is a swamp, I don't care where it is!

[arctichomesteader]

Swamps can be incredible places if you can appreciate what's there. The birds, the unique plants, the wildlife in general.