3 Ways To Lower Gas Prices (Arctic Village: groceries, pollution, food)

[Classic Satch]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

It'd make things more lively I suspect.

For once, I won't argue with you.

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by Nephler

The only wasteland on Earth were and are made by Man.

Tell me of one wasteland you know about made by man?

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

So you don't give a rat about the people who depend on that wildlife for their survival? You don't care at all about the environment? You only care about having cheap fuel so you can live a comfortable urban lifestyle. You'd fit in better in the lower 48. How about New York City or LA or such? The "me me me, screw everyone and everything else" attitude is big in those places. I imagine if they wanted to drill for oil in your backyard you'd be opposed because it would hurt you.

And you've obviously ignored the information that's been posted in the past about how the oil drilling and such has in fact affected the caribou negatively...

And once again ANWR is not a wasteland at all...

And to point out again: you have NO long term plan whatsoever. You live solely in the present and don't think ahead far. We don't have enough oil in the U.S. to end our dependence on foreign oil, at least, not much longer than 11 years. Your only answer is drill and get some oil now screw the future. So precisely what are you going to do when this oil runs out? You haven't answered that at all so far...

It seems that you also ignore that fact that some Alaska Native who live nearby want drilling in ANWR. Not all the Natives in that area do, of course, but some do.

Now, if I was a resident of any of those villages, I would certainly want some running water, some way to threat sewage, cheaper way to produce electricity, etc. Some of these things are not available in quite a lot of villages in Alaska. If it was my land, I would find the way to make it a Native Nation, and do with it as I please. I imagine that eventually Alaska Natives will kick our butts off their land, too. We talk and talk about this and that from our warm homes with running water, toilets, etc., while they freeze their behind on a cold outhouse or bucket out on the tundra.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

It seems that you also ignore that fact that some Alaska Native who live nearby want drilling in ANWR. Not all the Natives in that area do, of course, but some do.

Now, if I was a resident of any of those villages, I would certainly want some running water, some way to threat sewage, cheaper way to produce electricity, etc. Some of these things are not available in quite a lot of villages in Alaska.

Well of course some want money and others have been tricked by the oil companies (how many people actually do have the time to read all the scientific studies of the subject?). And aren't there differences between the village satch mentioned and Arctic Village? I'm thinking in terms of reliance on subsistence hunting of the caribou, and, economically, including how each responded to the native claims settlement acts/etc. Arctic Village's residents are more reliant on the caribou than some others and, IIRC, Arctic Village rejected the money-making native corporation thing that most of the natives accepted...which would definately alter their viewpoints. Money and greed changes everything when it's involved.

[snkalaska]

Originally Posted by rayinak

tell me of one wasteland you know about made by man?

Los Angeles

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by RayinAK

Tell me of one wasteland you know about made by man?

Hmm, NYC, LA, Detroit (pretty much all urban areas, they are wastelands, you can't actually survive in them without all your supplies coming in from outside, the tundra certainly supports life better if you're willing to live appropriately for the area), the area affected by Chernobyl, and this list can go on...all created by man, all wastelands in some way.

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by Classic Satch

For once, I won't argue with you.

I'm surprised you weren't able to find a way.

[RayinAK]

By the way, the new generation nuclear plants can be very small in size. Nuclear power is an excellent alternative for Alaska. Years ago, Japan was going to build a very small nuclear plant at one of the villages out there, but I don't know if the plan was implemented or not.

Earthquakes are a normal thing in Japan, just like Alaska and numerous other places. However, Japan runs on nuclear power, and so France.

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Well of course some want money and others have been tricked by the oil companies (how many people actually do have the time to read all the scientific studies of the subject?). And aren't there differences between the village satch mentioned and Arctic Village? I'm thinking in terms of reliance on subsistence hunting of the caribou, and, economically, including how each responded to the native claims settlement acts/etc. Arctic Village's residents are more reliant on the caribou than some others and, IIRC, Arctic Village rejected the money-making native corporation thing that most of the natives accepted...which would definately alter their viewpoints.

Oh, I see. Some are so dumb that the oil companies have tricked them?

You are hardly an Alaskan, and already talking your lower-48 environmental BS.

[RayinAK]

Originally Posted by arctichomesteader

Hmm, NYC, LA, Detroit (pretty much all urban areas, they are wastelands, you can't actually survive in them without all your supplies coming in from outside, the tundra certainly supports life better if you're willing to live appropriately for the area), the area affected by Chernobyl, and this list can go on...all created by man, all wastelands in some way.

Chernobyl a wasteland? Are there any people living nearby, or are they all dead? But lets assume that it's a wasteland...in that case, you have told me of one. Go ahead and tell me of another.