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Old 12-02-2010, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Marlborough, MA
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In your area, those with low incomes are renting cheap houses that investors from California bought years ago when lots were selling cheap. The investors planned to build the homes and then turn them in a sale and net the profit. They didn't count on the economy taking a nose-dive. Some of the homes out there are lived in by renters getting a good deal. Sometimes large extended families live in one home.
Ah, that makes sense.

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Did anyone catch this story about the 17 malnourished children that were removed from a home in SW Albuquerque? And who gets the blame when these kids have bad test scores?

17 kids found malnourished, neglected | Albuquerque, New Mexico | KRQE News 13
The 17 kids are the children of 5 siblings and a cousin. And how many resources will it take to even attempt to normalize these kids?

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Old 12-05-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: USA
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Are you kidding me? This city's public school district cannot even pay beginning teachers a decent salary. For example:

1) Bachelor's degree - $30,000
2) Master's degree - $30.002
3) Ph.D. - $30.006

See a problem here?

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Old 12-05-2010, 05:31 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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Are you kidding me? This city's public school district cannot even pay beginning teachers a decent salary. For example:

1) Bachelor's degree - $30,000
2) Master's degree - $30.002
3) Ph.D. - $30.006

See a problem here?
Yes, your periods and comas seem to be mixed up, you did not provide your source, and that appears to be starting for "Level I: Teachers, Pathway Nurses, Counselors, Social Workers, and Interpreters".

I have known a few teachers over the years. They are hard working individuals which I have respected. I don't recall any of them wanting to be teachers just for the pay...

How about the real pay scale ranges available at APS:

2010-2011 Schedule The following schedule is based on a 183 day (6.5hrs/day) work schedule.

1) Bachelor's degree - $30,000.00 to $68,759.00
2) Master's degree - $30,002.00 $77,260.00
3) Ph.D. - $30,006.00 - $78,976.00


Pay schedules available at: Salaries; Albuquerque Public Schools


Rich

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Old 12-05-2010, 06:59 PM
 
Location: USA
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How about the real pay scale ranges available at APS:

2010-2011 Schedule The following schedule is based on a 183 day (6.5hrs/day) work schedule.

1) Bachelor's degree - $30,000.00 to $68,759.00
2) Master's degree - $30,002.00 $77,260.00
3) Ph.D. - $30,006.00 - $78,976.00
ROTFLMAO. You think you’re real smart, don’t you? Falling for the source (APS’s pay scale) proves you know nothing about what teachers actually make.

The base salary for teachers is $30,000, $30,002, or $30,006. Every new teacher REGARDLESS of degree (BA, MA, or Ph.D.) has to stay at Level 1 for three years. After three years they have to do a dossier and then hope that it passes the state education department. Don’t do the dossier? No raise! Do the dossier, but don’t pass? No raise! BTW, I’ve heard from co-workers that the powers that be try to pass as few dossiers as possible, because the district doesn’t want to pay anymore than they already are.

The raise isn’t a glamorous extra $20,000 or $30,000 per year either. At most it is $10,000, and this is only if your dossier passes. Then you’re stuck at Level 2 for a number of years.

Take a better look at that pay scale for Level 1. If you have a Ph.D., but no teaching experience, you earn an extra SIX DOLLARS a year. I wonder how that is broken up into 26 paychecks? Maybe you think that’s wonderful, but it’s absolutely and completely pathetic.

If you have a Ph.D. in Psychology, decide to enter the teaching profession, you are stuck at $30,006. IMO it would be much better to just counsel individuals. If you are an educational diagnostician, and decide to become a Special Ed. teacher you start at $30,000. Super!!!

No teacher with a BA is going to make $68,000 until they’ve taught at APS for possibly several decades. My wife and I know plenty of teachers with Master's degrees, and they have many years of teaching under their belt. Most of them have weekend jobs too.

We are not going into teaching for the money, but we like to eat decent organic food (so we stay healthy) and we’d rather not be homeless. Also, student loans are a huge concern.

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Old 12-05-2010, 07:16 PM
 
Location: New Mexico U.S.A.
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ROTFLMAO. You think you’re real smart, don’t you?
No... But you seem to have drifted from the original topic of this thread. "Does the phrase, "NM is a poor state" apply to Albuquerque?". I think your reply may be part of the answer, but I do not believe APS teacher salaries is a complete answer.


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Old 12-05-2010, 07:23 PM
 
Location: USA
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No... But you seem to have drifted from the original topic of this thread. "Does the phrase, "NM is a poor state" apply to Albuquerque?". I think your reply may be part of the answer, but I do not believe APS teacher salaries is a complete answer.


Rich
Rich,

We are at the BOTTOM of the barrel when it comes to teacher salaries. Go look at what they pay in Texas and you will see what I mean.
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Old 12-05-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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There are 20 states with the average starting salary of less than $30,002 so we are nowhere near the bottom of the barrel.

Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com

The average starting salary for a teacher in Texas is $33,775 - an extra $72 per week. Which also means that probably some school districts in Texas have a starting salary of less than $30k.

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Old 12-05-2010, 09:49 PM
 
Location: USA
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There are 20 states with the average starting salary of less than $30,002 so we are nowhere near the bottom of the barrel.

Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com

The average starting salary for a teacher in Texas is $33,775 - an extra $72 per week. Which also means that probably some school districts in Texas have a starting salary of less than $30k.
That list is so inaccurate it's not funny. Do me a favor... Go to the Dallas area, and see what the starting salaries are. I've done my research - you clearly have not. Also, Albuquerque Public Schools starts their beginning teachers at $30,000.
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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The American Federation of Teachers ranked New Mexico 27th in the nation for beginning teacher salaries, even further from the "bottom of the barrel." here
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Old 12-05-2010, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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That list is so inaccurate it's not funny. Do me a favor... Go to the Dallas area, and see what the starting salaries are. I've done my research - you clearly have not. Also, Albuquerque Public Schools starts their beginning teachers at $30,000.
Yes, but it costs 15.8% more to live in Dallas than it does in Albuquerque. To have an equivalent income of $30,000 in Albuquerque, you would have to start out at $34,741. If you made $50,000 in Albuquerque, you would need $57,901 to maintain the same standard of living. Also, while it costs 15.8% more to live in Dallas, the average employer only pays 7.1% more in Dallas than Albuquerque.
All data from mysalary.com




You also continue to make baseless assertions without supporting your contentions. If you want to make a solid argument, please cite some quantitative data.
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