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Old 05-25-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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Drugs are no match for the natural alternatives. This is just a fact. The reason is that when you break it down, all drugs do is increase/decrease or block a natural substance in the body to achieve their affect and we know that when natural, as opposed to synthetic solutions (drugs), the natural is more effective in achieving the same result.
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Old 05-25-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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Let's keep it that way. We don't need them to dictate what is safe - they have a horrible track record in providing safe recommendations.
I agree.
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Old 05-25-2015, 02:36 PM
 
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Drugs are no match for the natural alternatives. This is just a fact. The reason is that when you break it down, all drugs do is increase/decrease or block a natural substance in the body to achieve their affect and we know that when natural, as opposed to synthetic solutions (drugs), the natural is more effective in achieving the same result.
I agree, yet at the same time, I don't want to 'toss' all meds, as there are times (ER, etc) that natural 'remedy' takes too long, or isn't as readily available, or strong enough, etc.
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Old 05-25-2015, 08:57 PM
 
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Lets get one fact in the open:

Natural alternatives are still CHEMICAL compounds. Take [(2R,3R)-5,7-dihydroxy-2-(3,4,5-trihydroxyphenyl)chroman-3-yl] 3,4,5-trihydroxybenzoate, this is nothing but the main beneficial CHEMICAL compound in green tea. When you use the words "green tea" it sounds so natural but that doesn't make it suddenly not become a chemical compound. Do a search for the above chemical compound in prescription drugs and you'll be surprised how many have it a a main ingredient. So why is it bad when its called [(2R,3R)-5,7-dihydroxy-2-(3,4,5-trihydroxyphenyl)chroman-3-yl] 3,4,5-trihydroxybenzoate, yet good when its called Green Tea? I mean why is a pill put out by Merick that is C6-H8-O6 evil yet its a wholesome natural product when put out by some natural supplement company; it's still just Vitamin C.
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Old 05-25-2015, 09:04 PM
 
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What I'm talking about is what it natural in the body. Minerals Vitamins, amino acids, enzymes, etc.. These are the naturals I'm referring to. At the end of the day synthetic drugs either block, increase or decrease THESE naturals in order to achieve their task. If we can just get the right vitamin, amino acid, enzyme etc... then we can bypass the synthetics which are nothing but further away in the chain to begin with.
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Old 05-26-2015, 11:43 PM
 
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The FDA is only the lobbying arm of the pill companies who don't want to see a reversal of fortune. They take in 2 trillion in US alone & their products kill about 250,000 Americans a year. Consumer Reports did an article on supplements & all of them together killed an average of 23 Americans a year. The FDA does not make any rulings on plants, other than very rarely requiring some other labeling. The poll cos. claim their own drugs are safe enough after 1 study trying 1 on 2,000 people for 6 months, or 500 people for 4 months. Years later Celebrex kills people 4 different ways. Ask your doctor if it's right for you.



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If you are a believer in natural herbs & remedies, as I am, you'll notice this very statement on just about anything you buy.

The FDA never seems to get around to evaluating whether or not these types of alternative medicines are beneficial. Year after year, and decade after decade.

Think about it.
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Old 05-27-2015, 12:55 PM
 
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The FDA is only the lobbying arm of the pill companies who don't want to see a reversal of fortune. They take in 2 trillion in US alone & their products kill about 250,000 Americans a year.
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That about sums it up. There are many cures that could be pursued by an individual armed with the information available for 'free' on line, without the help of an expensive doctor, or even worse, with expensive medicines. And yet for some reason this never came up in conversation when Obamacare was being designed. Hummmm
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Old 06-02-2015, 10:09 AM
 
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If you are a believer in natural herbs & remedies, as I am, you'll notice this very statement on just about anything you buy.

The FDA never seems to get around to evaluating whether or not these types of alternative medicines are beneficial. Year after year, and decade after decade.

Think about it.
Personally I don't need the FDA's reassurance. First of all, it isn't like the FDA is some independent consumer advocacy organization. The testing used for FDA approval is paid for by the mfr of the drug! If you own a drug company and want a drug approved are you going to pay money for testing that says the drug is safe or unsafe? (Duh.)Then they pay the FDA a big fat fee for their rubber stamp.

Lots of FDA approved substances are still dangerous and kill people.They may interact with something else the person is taking or do so single-handedly. I remember hearing the news a few days after Viagra was approved that 8 men had already died. Generally after the drug is on the market is when people who are crazy enough to take the drug (or who have given over all control of their health to the medical doctor which too many people do) find out how safe it is. Then those of us sitting on the sidelines hear about the people who are harmed.

Most people know that the drug companies that make vaccines have been given immunity from lawsuits and most recently the Center for Disease Control evidently took down information about dangers of certain vaccines ---which goes to show how much they "care" about the "safety" of Americans.https://sharylattkisson.com/governme...-from-website/

People should know that there is no such thing is a "safe" drug. If drugs were safe, you wouldn't need a prescription for them. People should also know that Nature has a natural safe cure for everything. The FDA has nothing on Nature. Neither do man's attempts to improve on Nature. With every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

For example, just because the body needs digestive enzymes and friendly bacteria to break down food does NOT mean people should take them as supplements . By doing so, the person is sending messages to the pancreas not to manufacture the digestive enzymes. The smarter approach would be to eat the dandelions and other greens, that the body fully recognizes and knows how to use, that stimulate the pancreas to make the digestive enzymes.

To REALLY learn and understand how the body works and what is needed for robust health, people should study RobertMorseND ( a biochemist, Naturopathic Doctor, Master Herbalist and more) on YouTube or get his book. Personally I used to be a big advocate of taking natural supplements and didn't see any harm taking them for the long term. I am NO MORE having learned from Dr Morse and others.

If people find themselves ill, unless they have only minutes left to live, seeking a medical doctor's opinion should be limited to that (the opinion). If they want to restore their health, go to an herbalist or Naturopathic Doctor who uses whole herbs and not isolate food supplements. Expect in order to get well that your diet will need to radically change and become a diet of mostly raw organic fruit and vegetables if you want to achieve optimal health. Lastly, don't expect the FDA to ever put their rubber stamp on this. The last thing they want is for Americans to figure out how they can get rid of their "disease" and be healthy because there is no money in it.
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Old 06-09-2015, 03:33 PM
 
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Supplement makers do not spend the money on testing because they are not required to do so. They do not generate any information to give to the FDA, which cannot do anything unless the product harms someone or is found to be mislabeled.

The mislabeling chicken is coming home to roost:

Senators ask FDA for national investigation of dietary supplements | TheHill
And, that is criminal. No one knows what half the crap in suplements is, or can do! Another case of government non-imvolvement because of money from a questionable industry
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Old 06-09-2015, 09:01 PM
 
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And, that is criminal. No one knows what half the crap in suplements is, or can do! Another case of government non-imvolvement because of money from a questionable industry

I believe there should be some testing. It just needs to be done by watchdog groups and not the Federal Government. They are more corrupt than the supplement makers. After all they pander to the Drug companies. Remember when Aspartame wouldn't get approved by the FDA for so long. And then the Approval came by the director who then left the FDA afterward to become a lead lobbyist for Monsanto - they same company that made the Aspartame.
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