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A year ago my MD asked me if I wanted this vaccine for my then 16 y.o. daughter. I said NO WAY!! She is not sexually active. My daughter who was in the room said No, I am waiting till I am married She is 18 now and both she and I feel that was the best decision. I have now figured out that I am in charge of my own health and that of my children. I will not just take a drug b/c my MD said so. Oh if I could only write a book about how meds have screwed me up! Now, that I am off of them what a difference! I am actually healthy!!
People should take charge of their own health and not blindly trust the doctors.
I am simply "repeating" what is stated in the reports, that many of the women had underlying conditions that were the cause of death. Many of the reports also state that the attending physicians do not believe that this particular vaccine caused the adverse advent, i.e. death or subsequent illness.
Unfortunately, sometimes the first symptom of a condition is death. Think of all the high school athletes who suddenly "collapse and die" on the field. Was it the Advil, that let's say he/she took for a headache, or was it the underlaying heart defect that was until that day was asymptomatic?
As I stated in my previous post, correlation does not often equal causation. This is precisely why the FDA conducts post-marketing surveillance of all drugs, including vaccines. Health professionals report any and all adverse events, that could be tied to a drug/vaccine, no matter how farfetched. Just because a health professional submits a report, it does not however mean that the adverse event was caused by the drug/vaccine.
The FDA continuously reviews these reports looking for "patterns." It is my understanding that to date, the FDA has determined that Gardasil does not cause a higher amount of adverse events, then one expects to see in this particular demographic. This could change as it did for (off the top off my head) the diabetes drug Rezulin, several years ago.
I fully understand what you are saying, as a matter of fact, the way you lay it out, your argument wins. Your argument wins because, like you said, the doctors did not report that they "feel" the vaccine was the cause of the problem. And see, that's the problem, and the rock bottom of the vaccine controversy, in that, this legal loophole (not accurately reporting) is used to avoid responsibility! Furthmore, in what interest does a doctor have in telling on himself and on his medical profession?
I have read through all the cases myself and many of these girls were perfectly healthy until they were inoculated! Quite a few girls died after the first dose within a 2 week time frame let alone made it through the 2nd and 3rd dose. Also, there is a pattern, in that, many girls died from the same complications (blood clots in lungs/heart) and experienced the same symptoms after the inoculation such as, stomach pains, weakness, and headaches.http://www.judicialwatch.org/files/d...L_20090616.pdf
Regardless, if you want to actually believe that the "FDA continuously reviews these reports looking for patterns", then all I can say to that is, yea, yea, tell it to the family's who lost there children!!
And see, that's the problem, and the rock bottom of the vaccine controversy, in that, this legal loophole (not accurately reporting) is used to avoid responsibility! Furthmore, in what interest does a doctor have in telling on himself and on his medical profession?
If a doctor has chosen to lie about a patient on a report, then he/she is in serious violation of ethics and the codes of standards and practices of his/her profession. He/she should have his/her license revoked. I have no reason to believe that the majority of doctors lied as you suggest.
Most people who enter the field of medicine (including myself) are dedicated to eradicating illnesses and suffering. It requires quite a commitment in terms of time and financial hardship to earn an M.D.
I have absolute sympathy for the families. I know firsthand what it is like to watch someone you love who was otherwise healthy on a Monday, end up on a respirator on a Tuesday. I also know firsthand the frustration of not knowing exactly what caused such an illness and wanting to "pin" it on something specific.
I just am not convinced that the vaccine is the cause of the adverse events, although I fully comprehend your concerns.
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Doctors aren't recommending it so freely now, because of several adverse reactions in healthy young women. We skipped the vax for my 18 year old dd, opting to wait a few years to see how well it was going. And apparently it isn't going so well, I occasionally see credible news reports about serious reactions. People should be informed of the risks before making their decision on whether or not to vax. I will say that one of my daughter's friends got the Gardasil vaccination, and was very sick for a few days afterwards.
2 ALS Cases May Be Linked to Gardasil Vaccine [i]Oct. 16, 2009 (Baltimore) -- Researchers believe that there may be a link between a vaccine against cervical cancer and a rapidly progressive, fatal disease in two young women.
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And from the Journal of the American Medical Association:
JAMA -- Mandatory HPV Vaccination: Public Health vs Private Wealth, May 2, 2007, Gostin and DeAngelis 297 (17): 1921
[i]However, it is important to emphasize that the vaccine is supported by limited efficacy and safety data. Clinical trials have thus far involved a relatively small population (<12 000 participants) for a limited period of follow-up (5 years). The vaccine has not been evaluated for efficacy among younger girls (aged 9 to 15 years).... Mod cut: copyright violations
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A year ago my MD asked me if I wanted this vaccine for my then 16 y.o. daughter. I said NO WAY!! She is not sexually active. My daughter who was in the room said No, I am waiting till I am married She is 18 now and both she and I feel that was the best decision. I have now figured out that I am in charge of my own health and that of my children. I will not just take a drug b/c my MD said so. Oh if I could only write a book about how meds have screwed me up! Now, that I am off of them what a difference! I am actually healthy!!
People should take charge of their own health and not blindly trust the doctors.
It's called 'taking responsibility for oneself' rather than following like good little subordinates to the system, and being spoon fed as much BS as one can consume.
For anyone who enjoys reading, try "Healthcare for Dummies" by David Bonello, and read up on Royal Raymond Rife. Hear Ye, Hear Ye, come ye all and see how well the 'establishment' looks after everyones' interests, OH, and bring plenty of money with you so we can keep you dumbed down and drugged up with whole range of 'goodies', we churn out bountiful supplies so there is plenty for everyone, and we're 'well' connected too.
The question is, Is killing a small percentage of people AND risking side effects to another percentage of people WORTH preventing a disease?
What is your answer? Some people say yes. Mine is probably no, because unknown side effects come up eventually even if it does prevent diseases, and their consequences are unforeseen but horrible.
70% of medical research on meds is funded by the people who manufacture them
If they do not like the current research team's results, they get another one.
Bias in the name of profit not people.
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