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So words like mina, laburar, quilombo, and pibehave disappeared? Perhaps we can say Lunfardo did not disappear, it was just incorporated into Argentina and Uruguay's national lexicons.
Argentine Spanish is peppered with these unique words, regardless of class. Low-class dialect is ALWAYS incorporated into the national lexicon of every country. So is low-class music.
anyone in Spain/Hispanic America knows the meaning of these words.
any country/region has its unique variation of Spanish and its own slang.
easily 90% of words of Lunfardo aren't used anymore.
Catalan is not a mixture of language, but a language. Lunfardo disappeared, and the few surviving words are only heard in Tangos or perhaps in some areas of Buenos Aires.
Riu d'Plat and Terra d'Foc would prolly be a bit more close. Otherwise it was correct
If you look up the Catalan-language Wikipedia, it is in fact Riu de la Plata and Terra del Foc, respectively.
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Catalan is not a mixture of language, but a language. Lunfardo disappeared, and the few surviving words are only heard in Tangos or perhaps in some areas of Buenos Aires.
I know that Catalan is its own language and not a mixture. But to people from outside the Iberian Peninsula, Catalan seems like a three-way cross between Spanish, French, and Italian.
Argentina Lunfardo and Catalan have nothing in common, don't even sound the same...
"Rio-Platense" ( the spanish spoken primarily in Buenos Aires, Entre Rios, Santa Fe provinces and Uruguay ) as a form of spanish if anything that resembles Italian to my ears, very similar tone and inflection in the accent. Actually, Argentine Lunfardo also employs lot's of Italian words in it's slang as well "Las gambas" for legs, for example is one that comes to mind. Oddly enough, argentines also call Italians "gringos" as well as americans although "yanqui" is much more commonly used for folks from the US.
Anyways... go to the north east or the north west of Argentina, the accent and spanish is different, much more neutral. Argentina is a HUGE country, from one corner to the next, their are alot of differences and variations.
Catalan....not even close, don't really get the comparison either..
Argentina Lunfardo is VERY MUCH alive and well...new words are being added all the time. Although, some Lunfardo words and phrases have fallen out of vogue ( like the greeting: "Hola que talca como andamio" or "Salio un dia perronista") but MANY MANY MANY are still used daily....and used quite proudly I might add.
Quilombo( or bolonqui, bolomqui, some humourously say it in reverse ) laburar, mina, pibe,morfar, chanta, pelotudo, escabiar, birra,despelote,chabon,estafar... we can go on and on.....every day slang words here still used everyday all over alot of Argentina, mainly Rosario, Cordoba and Buenos Aires province. Outside of Las Pampas region, you hear different slang and not quite as much Lunfardo. In Mendoza, the spanish is very similar to Chile, clipped and fast. In the northeast in JuJuy and Salya you get an influx of andean indigenous words as well. Besides, argentine spanish or real Lunfardo is as much about gesticulations as much as words....argentines ( especially porteños ) speak with their hands and are very expressive. Along with those words come the right gesticulations as well...
Porteños, well, the old style of Lunfardo you don't hear as much, they would take words and say them in reverse, "Cafe" becomes "Feca" and "Pizza" becomes "Zzapi" but you don't hear this as much anymore with the younger porteños.
The really lower, super poor Argentina classes and "villeritos" here have a very unique slang and dialect and speak almost in a form of code....kinda like an argentine version of "eubonics" ( for lack of a better comparison ) it's practically a different language much of the time....my wife and I hear them on the bus talking and have literally no idea what they're saying.
for example they say: "Che Rancho" or "Che gato" alot when they call their friends. The police they call "la gorra" I could go on and on...
it also cracks me up when they mix English and spanish. I once heard one of these guys on the bus invite one of his buddies who was sitting across the aisle to go to the "bolichaso" ( large bar nightclub ) for a few beers. He said:
Che gato, vamos por unos "drinks?"
I listened I was like, with the accent sounded like "dleenks"...what the heck is he saying? He kept repeating it with his friend and from what I was able to take from the conversation, he was taking about going and grabbing a few beers...let's go grab a few drinks, beers LOL. They must have heard it from TV or something...now I hear it alot recently...kinda funny...they are saying "drinks" is what a few of my argentine friends have told me...so I was right, I heard it right LOL
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Argentina Lunfardo and Catalan have nothing in common, don't even sound the same...
"Rio-Platense" ( the spanish spoken primarily in Buenos Aires, Entre Rios, Santa Fe provinces and Uruguay ) as a form of spanish if anything that resembles Italian to my ears, very similar tone and inflection in the accent. Actually, Argentine Lunfardo also employs lot's of Italian words in it's slang as well "Las gambas" for legs, for example is one that comes to mind. Oddly enough, argentines also call Italians "gringos" as well as americans although "yanqui" is much more commonly used for folks from the US.
I know that Lunfardo and Catalan sound quite different. I'm saying, basically, that if you artificially imposed a "new" language in Argentina/Uruguay - taking into account the existing language (Spanish), the cultural background of most of the people (Spanish and Italian, plus some French), and the predominant influence in high culture and architecture (French) - it would have been Catalan, given how much of a three-way cross it is with those three more mainstream languages. Of course, in the real world, you can't impose "new" languages on countries just like that.
Let's just say that Rioplatense culture and the Catalan language are both, or seem to both be, three-way crosses between Spanish, Italian, and French cultures/languages, but that they're as such in complete isolation from one another.
Note that Catalan does have some (or even many) words or names which are exactly identical at least in spelling to Spanish - e.g. salvador ('saviour') or dos ('two'), some exactly identical at least in spelling to French - e.g. parc ('park') or cinq ('five'), and some exactly identical at least in spelling to Italian - e.g. finestra ('window').
that's almost identical to Spanish too: "parque", "cinco".
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