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I'm wondering, The Mysterious Benefactor, whether you believe there's more of a difference between "whites" (i.e. non-Hispanic/Mediterranean whites from North America, northern Europe, Australia, etc.) and Argentines, or between "whites" and people from countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Greece?
Well again, we're venturing into the realm of politics, which I would rather avoid, but I'll answer your question. I think whites, when compared with Argentines, are more different. Whites are more like the people from those countries you listed. The societies they've built more closely resemble the societies built by North Americans/Northern Europeans/Australians.
Thanks for the compliments, but we are not a race at all! Yes, everyone knows we Argentines are very special and unique people, but we are not THAT special and unique.
If you ever visited or at least were slightly interested in knowing a bit about the country, you'll find out that there are lots of white people from every kind of ancestry, lots of 'mestizo' people with the most varied heritage, some fully amerindians, and even a small yet growing number of Asians and people with full or partial African ancestry.
Anyway, don't hesitate to ask me, I'm not offended when people know nothing about my country, and it's always better to ask than getting embarrassed by talking nonsense.
As I told another poster, you may not agree that Latinos are a distinct race. We disagree, but you have your opinion, I respect it, and I'm not trying to change it. I'll simply leave you with your beliefs.
Nor do I have any questions to ask you. I'm quite familiar with your country; I've been living in Argentina for almost three years now and have traveled across it extensively. Overall, I happen to like Argentina and it's people, but I can't deny/ignore the fact that the country has a lot of problems. You're obviously proud of your country and your people, and you should be. But you shouldn't let that blind you to reality.
Look, I don't wish to turn this into a political discussion; that's for another forum. Maybe you don't believe Latinos qualify as a separate race, and/or maybe you believe there's no difference between whites and Argentines. Fair enough, I'll leave you with your beliefs.
there is nothing "political" about it, you are just being the typical dumb, gullible Americanian; for people like you is that Americanians became the laughing stock of people all over the World. "Latino" and "white" don't mean anything; if there is anything that the term "Latino" could denote is "someone born in "Latin America", which is as much as saying "North American", "Eurasian", "African", "earthling" or whatever. I never understood how can you ugly Americanians think that a subcontinent that is twice as big as populated as the US could share the same "culture" or ethnicity, but after all your education system scores worse than Vietnam, so...
The term "white" groups very different societies and ethnicities, and is also useless for practical purposes.
there is nothing "political" about it, you are just being the typical dumb, gullible Americanian; for people like you is that Americanians became the laughing stock of people all over the World. "Latino" and "white" don't mean anything; if there is anything that the term "Latino" could denote is "someone born in "Latin America", which is as much as saying "North American", "Eurasian", "African", "earthling" or whatever. I never understood how can you ugly Americanians think that a subcontinent that is twice as big as populated as the US could share the same "culture" or ethnicity, but after all your education system scores worse than Vietnam, so...
The term "white" groups very different societies and ethnicities, and is also useless for practical purposes.
there is nothing "political" about it, you are just being the typical dumb, gullible Americanian; for people like you is that Americanians became the laughing stock of people all over the World. "Latino" and "white" don't mean anything; if there is anything that the term "Latino" could denote is "someone born in "Latin America", which is as much as saying "North American", "Eurasian", "African", "earthling" or whatever. I never understood how can you ugly Americanians think that a subcontinent that is twice as big as populated as the US could share the same "culture" or ethnicity, but after all your education system scores worse than Vietnam, so...
The term "white" groups very different societies and ethnicities, and is also useless for practical purposes.
As I said, you have your opinion and I don't share it. You may equate Latinos with whites, I do not. But for being laughingstocks, there sure are a lot of Latinos risking their lives to come live among us.
Since I last posted on this thread, I've reflected on the Argentines-as-whites issue, and I've concluded that overall, most Argentines may have some admixture of mestizo/Indian blood, even those who say they're white and (most often) of Spanish/Italian descent.
As Argentina is a country of diverse regions, it depends on what part of Argentina we're talking about. If we're talking about the interior (esp. the further west and especially north one goes), the people are mainly of mestizo or Indian descent - effectively no different than in Chile, Bolivia, or Paraguay, and of course whites from North America or northern Europe will very much stand out.
On the other hand, if we're talking about Buenos Aires, the rest of the Pampas, and (by extension) Uruguay and Patagonia, most people are indeed of mainly southern European descent with perhaps a few mestizo/Indian features (by way of Spanish/Italian immigrants, who were often young single men, marrying into longer-established families, many of which were mestizo). In those same parts, there are many immigrants from the Argentine interior and from countries like Bolivia and Paraguay; most of these immigrants are either mestizo or Indian, and they're the ones who occupy the lower-income areas, including the villas miserias. It's largely - though not entirely - from these immigrants that the violent criminals, including the express kidnappers, emerge and commit their crimes; no wonder, then, that to these people, whites from First World countries would stand out even in the mainly-European-descent Pampas. (Btw, not meaning to be racist, just stating the facts.)
One more thing: "Latino" is a geographical-ethnic category meaning "Latin American", and it's not a racial category. As such, for example, you could have white Latinos (like in the Pampas or in Costa Rica), black Latinos, mestizo Latinos, and Indian Latinos. Not to mention Asian Latinos, as in Peru or with the Japanese in Brazil.
As Argentina is a country of diverse regions, it depends on what part of Argentina we're talking about. If we're talking about the interior (esp. the further west and especially north one goes), the people are mainly of mestizo or Indian descent - effectively no different than in Chile, Bolivia, or Paraguay, and of course whites from North America or northern Europe will very much stand out.
On the other hand, if we're talking about Buenos Aires, the rest of the Pampas, and (by extension) Uruguay and Patagonia, most people are indeed of mainly southern European descent with perhaps a few mestizo/Indian features (by way of Spanish/Italian immigrants, who were often young single men, marrying into longer-established families, many of which were mestizo). In those same parts, there are many immigrants from the Argentine interior and from countries like Bolivia and Paraguay; most of these immigrants are either mestizo or Indian, and they're the ones who occupy the lower-income areas, including the villas miserias. It's largely - though not entirely - from these immigrants that the violent criminals, including the express kidnappers, emerge and commit their crimes; no wonder, then, that to these people, whites from First World countries would stand out even in the mainly-European-descent Pampas. (Btw, not meaning to be racist, just stating the facts.)
Lol, patagonia and the "rest of the pampas" are the interior too, my dear "argentina expert" of "Canadá" (massive lol).
As i have said many times before, this subforum was ruined when it started to get filled with your average troll of latinamerican forums faking other nationalities, like this one. A mess. This whole thread is agenda-driven in order to troll.
Meanwhile you will never be an agenda thread about Chile started by an argentine. We just don't care because don't have those complexes
Lol, patagonia and the "rest of the pampas" are the interior too, my dear "argentina expert" of "Canadá" (massive lol).
As i have said many times before, this subforum was ruined when it started to get filled with your average troll of latinamerican forums faking other nationalities, like this one. A mess. This whole thread is agenda-driven in order to troll.
Meanwhile you will never be an agenda thread about Chile started by an argentine. We just don't care because don't have those complexes
I'm an American...
There's no agenda, I was simply considering Buenos Aires as a place to stay for a while. As I stated, I have no worries in visiting, but a foreigner sometimes has to take extra precautions if they're hanging around casinos on a regular basis. I was only asking a question, and a legitimate one.
One more thing: "Latino" is a geographical-ethnic category meaning "Latin American", and it's not a racial category. As such, for example, you could have white Latinos (like in the Pampas or in Costa Rica), black Latinos, mestizo Latinos, and Indian Latinos. Not to mention Asian Latinos, as in Peru or with the Japanese in Brazil.
sort of, it's still not that simple. Mestizo just means European+Indigenous of the Americas mix, it's not an ethnicity. Natives and Europeans are from very varied ethnicities, Africans too. Most people is mixed on different proportions and it's not easy to set limits between Mestizos and Mulattoes, for example. And you have other immigration like the Syrian-Lebanese one, which was by no means insignificant.
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