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I also know Haitians who have a closer skin tone to Beyoncé who have their ethnicity questioned a lot, even by other black people(if not especially.)
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These are people who are clearly ignorant of Haiti as its black vs. mulatto divide pretty much defines much about Haiti. Mulattos (together with Syrians) dominate the business sector,
Despite the real and deplorable challenges, it's not the complete hell people with an agenda wish to portray.
Conditions are deplorable, but not hell, so we shouldn't discuss this at all. Just be glad that it is pretty bad but then it could be worse.
If a Colombian has an agenda on this issue it should not be to hide discussion of it, or to pretend that, because "it isn't hell", then it should be tolerated.
Often black people in Latin America are limited to certain states or areas and do not interact much with the rest of the population. Peru for example has approximately 1.2 million black citizens, but if you walk around in any major city in Peru it is certainly not going to feel like it. Colombia/Ecuador have a very big black population, but most of it is limited to the Pacific Coast and some parts of the Caribbean Coast. If you live in Quito or somewhere in the Colombian countryside you might go years without seeing a single black person. While the population is there, it is very segmented. Whereas in Brazil it is a lot more mixed
This....Latin American countries have their concentrated black populations just like the US, where the Black population is concentrated in the SE portion of the country. In Colombia, it is Choco and parts of the Caribbean Coast. In Ecuador, it is Esmeraldas. In Peru, it is Chinca. In Central American countries, it is usually on the Caribbean Coast. Same with Venezuela. In Mexico, it is the Caribbean and Pacific Coasts to the south of the country. In Puerto Rico, look up Loiza and that surrounding area. Even in countries like Uruguay, Argentina and Bolivia have places where that community is concentrated. So, even in these countries that appear to be more mixed, certain regions have a higher cultural concentration of people of African descent.
Mixed is a very vague term encompassing people of all appearances. Keep in mind a Portuguese person could be considered dark skinned to a Northern European or even on the Iberian peninsula, a brunette is dark skinned compared to the whiter person there.
So just on a national basis, but in a personal basis people will see these things differently. Brazil is certainly in culture and in demographics much more African in the US, and a "mother ced@ Brazilian is terms of music, religion, and art is much more African than the typical Black American.
Also stastics mean nothing as people self identity when they fill out the census. This is not done in a genetic/scientific level.
For Brazilian the white people are all people who looks full Caucasian in facial features including the ones of tanned skin Mediterranean. ‘’White means any of full Caucasian of European heritage’’
Of course if someone is mixed but doesn’t have any visible traits they will be considerate white.
Conditions are deplorable, but not hell, so we shouldn't discuss this at all. Just be glad that it is pretty bad but then it could be worse.
If a Colombian has an agenda on this issue it should not be to hide discussion of it, or to pretend that, because "it isn't hell", then it should be tolerated.
Once again with the "not discussing it" accusation - did someone say broken record? I've been frank on many an occasion regarding this issue. I'm not pretending anything or even claiming any deplorable action should be tolerated.
However, you do love to pedal your agenda that the deplorable actions are the only one that exists in said country. You're angry and your agenda is to belittle and act superior without a moments thought of local context and without having any first hand experience in Colombia either.
What I am try to say is what when in Brazil we speak half of population is mixed (43% of pardos) you foreigner think we are talking about black / mulatto / brown like in USA where blacks are not much white (and native Indian) in the admixture, so they are very dark skinned with western African features but we are including this kind of people too;
How you are not familiarized how we are in Brazil with so mixed people I guess you think many of the lighter ones are ‘’pure white’’… Because in Brazilian TV there are tons of people like them… in fact they are among the pop stars.
Darker blacks, looking like western sub-Saharan blacks are few minority among blacks Brazilians, may be this 7% in the average of the country. They are majority only in Bahia and some places of northeast
Look the difference when is searched for white actress (blond actress)
While I agree there are many Black Americans that have little European, Native or other races in the United States, the past President of the United States had a white mother, and there are increasing number of Black Americans who marry people who aren't Black. The US is not stuck in the past either.
For Brazilian the white people are all people who looks full Caucasian in facial features including the ones of tanned skin Mediterranean. ‘’White means any of full Caucasian of European heritage’’ Of course if someone is mixed but doesn’t have any visible traits they will be considerate white.
Of course. They have no visible African or non European traits. They're definitely white in that case.
So white would mean anyone who has an European appearance. They aren't necessarily
"full" Caucasian. Even in the US, some white people do DNA tests and find out they have Black ancestors. But if the person looks white that is what people will call them.
And there are definitely people who look mixed, as you can see the features of two or more races in them. Definitely this is common in much of Latin America. But of course there are mixed people who look more, Black, more White, more Native, or more whatever.
Example President Obama's daughters are technically mixed. Their father is half white, their mother Michelle Obama is Black but not all the way Black (she has a few white ancestors). How do you see Obama's daughters?
Once again with the "not discussing it" accusation - did someone say broken record? I've been frank on many an occasion regarding this issue. I'm not pretending anything or even claiming any deplorable action should be tolerated.
However, you do love to pedal your agenda that the deplorable actions are the only one that exists in said country. You're angry and your agenda is to belittle and act superior without a moments thought of local context and without having any first hand experience in Colombia either.
There is nothing you can say to him to convince him otherwise. He has issues with Latino immigrants in the context of NYC, and so as a result of knowing some NYC Puerto Ricans and Dominicans makes gross generationalizations about all Latin Americans.
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