10-29-2007, 06:51 PM
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Has anyone heard of this? If so, what were the reasons for this and what is the resell potential for a manufactured home?
10-29-2007, 07:48 PM
Location: FINALLY living in AZ and LOVING it!!!
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Pre-owned mobile homes will sell, however at a great loss to the seller. Mobile home lose value. There is no appreciation for them. That is why more and more lenders won't finance them. Unless you plan to live in the mobile home for the rest of your life, you are only throwing your money away.
10-29-2007, 07:50 PM
Location: FINALLY living in AZ and LOVING it!!!
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After re-reading your post, it occurred to me that you might not be talking about "mobile homes" (trailers). If by "manufactured homes" you mean like a modular home, I know nothing about them.
10-29-2007, 08:06 PM
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Modular or trailer home
IF you call modular home what you find in the 55+, that is what I am talking about...
10-29-2007, 09:02 PM
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Loans for manufactured homes are still there, just a higher rate it will cost to finance.
10-29-2007, 09:46 PM
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Manufactured homes in mobile home park communities depreciate in value like a car. Manufactured homes attached to the land don't loose the value as much since the land does appreciate and makes up the difference. Some loan companies have requirements that stipulate that it has to be a doublewide (no singles) and no older than a certain year. The interest is higher than a traditional home but not by much. You can even get a loan for a single wide at even a higher rate. If you're going to buy a manufactured home you're better off if it sits on it's own land ( 1 acre or more) and it's at least a doublewide. I know plenty of people who made money on their deals. Just recently a couple from California sold their property for 118,000. They originally bought it for under 40,000 11 years ago. They took good care of it and remodeled it. That's a lot of money for a single wide around 1000 sq ft. I know many more people who didn't loose out on their investments. I also see many others who have allowed their properties to fall apart. You will get back what you put in it and then some. Market goes up and down and there is still plenty of people all over this country who relocate here and can afford to pay cash for manufactured homes. No worries.
10-29-2007, 09:46 PM
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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There is a LOT of confusion regarding what exactly is the difference between a manufactured home and a modular home (which is a subset of manufactured home). So, in order clarify things a bit, here's some information I posted back in August regarding manufactured and modular homes:
Manufactured Home vs Modular Home -
Manufactured Homes are built to Federal HUD specifications and are built and attached to a steel frame with wheels. They can be placed above ground with skirting and look like a typical "trailer house", or they can be countersunk and backfilled, then landscaped to look just like a site-built home - this is particularly true if your home has "tags" (ie extentions) that break up the boxy look and 4-12 or greater pitched roof (that is more typical of a site-built home). Current standards for such homes are pretty high - though not necessarily as high the local standards (depending on where you live).
Modular Homes are built to conform to LOCAL (where they will be) building specs and arrive on a flatbed truck and are then lifted into position on a perminant foundation and even come in multistory versions. Because they conform to the local building standards they end up being treated as any other site-built home would (generally even in regards to appreciation, loans etc) and when well-designed are indistinquishable from a site-built home.
In general, building standards for these homes (both mobile and modular) have inproved dramatically, and if you select a quality builder, chances are your home will be BETTER constructed than many of the locally site-built homes because many manufacturers surpass the HUD standards by quite a bit - particularly at the high end of the scale. They are also HIGHLY customizable with an almost endless variety of possible designs and reconfigurations possible and need not look anything like the typical "box" that most people think of.
Think that manufactured homes are "trailer trash"? Think again. Look at the photos and specs of the homes built by companies like Cavco (check out their top of the line Durango Biltmore), Karsten (check out their massive RC-31), or the Mercedes-Benz of manufactured homes Silvercrest (get a load of their ME-20 Manor series - their website has amazing photos). Any of these homes are FAR nicer (and better built) than the site-built home I own now.
The first thing you should do is get yourself a copy of the "Grissim Rating Guide to Manufactured Homes" and the "Grissim Buyers Guide to Manufactured Homes and Land". These are GREAT books and can be found on Amazon.com or the mdfhousing.com website (or do a web search on "Grissim Guide". These books are TERRIFIC. The former willl list all the manufacturers, give a brief history of each company and explain how they do business - then rate the construction quality of each of them on a 1-10 scale. While some outfits do rate only so-so (Fleetwood for example), others (those mentioned above and several others) rate very highly indeed.
The second book explains the construction ratings in detail, describing all the aspects of how the ratings are derived and step you though the entire searching, selection and buying process, telling you what to watch out for and what to look for. Two weeks ago I showed a copy of one of the books mentioned above to a friend of mine who once owned a construction business and he was very pleasantly surprised at the standards that many of these manufacturers have for their homes (especially those rated 8 and above in the book) and told me that those standards were far higher than those of most of the homes he had built.
The biggest drawback (it seems to me) in buying a manufactured or modular home is the fact that the dealerships are built on the car dealership model - meaning that you have to go through much of the same "wheeling and dealing" crap that you do with the purchase of a new car. This means there is lots of room for high-pressure "business shinanagins" just like with the purchase of a new car so it really pays to understand how the dealerships work, what are worthwhile options and what are not. The good news is that the manufactured home crash around 2000 wiped out many of the more shady businesses and those that remain sound like they are generally more trustworthy and honest. Still, it pays to tread carefully in those waters.
From what I have learned, manufactures homes can be a terrric deal - much less expensive (and even of higher quality) than many site-built homes. Just be sure and DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
For more info, check out specialized MH website discusssion boards such as:
Manufactured Homes Forum - GardenWeb
Manufactured Housing Global Forums
Manufactured Home Forum - Powered by vBulletin (http://www.manufacturedhomeforum.com/vb/ - broken link)
Hope this all helps. Any other questions, feel free to ask. If I've learned the answer I'll let you know.
Ken
10-29-2007, 11:23 PM
Location: Its a Surprise!
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My sister just sold her mobile home (typical trailer park home) for 3 times what she paid for it about 8 years ago,it was brand new when she bought it. And it was in CA not AZ
10-30-2007, 09:42 AM
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And to think that some people believe the AZ housing bust will last for years to come.
10-30-2007, 08:56 PM
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I live in the south and mobile homes on their own land have appreciated, especially double-wides. Land has appreciated so much here to make up for any depreciation of the home.
I like my doublewide better than I liked the 4 bedroom brick house I had before, except during tornado season.
The layout of this house is much more efficient. I have more usable space in these 3 bedrooms than I had in the 4.
Loans are very hard to get on single wides here. You pretty much have to pay cash for those. But you can get a loan for a doublewide or triplewide. I looked at some new triplewides recently and man are they nice!
I got an FHA loan from a regular mortgage company at the same interest rate as a site built house. The only thing required was to remove the skirting and put block under it instead. Doesn't make much sense, since the "foundation" on a mobile home is not what holds the house up, but that's how to get it approved by FHA, so that's what the seller and I arranged prior to closing. My homeowner's insurance company also considers my mobile home to be the same as a site built home, because of the block foundation. I'm hoping to find the same kind of arrangement in AZ, if I go with another mobile home.
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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The layout of this house is much more efficient. I have more usable space in these 3 bedrooms than I had in the 4. 
