Arizona's drought situation (Phoenix, Williams: waterpark, to live, cost)

[happyinca]

Originally Posted by tijlover

^Someone hasn't been introduced to the omnipresent, anti-development NIMBY's along the California coastline!

Originally Posted by saffordpastor

NIMBY's love solar, wind, and all sorts of other alternative energies....as long as they don't impede their view of the mountains, desert, surf etc.

Put them where folks are powerless and poor, and have no resources like the liberal aristocracy to fight them.

All of what you said is true. The good news is that the Desal plants are small. Click on the Carlsbad link and you will see it is no bigger than a small office building. It is not like the oil wells off the Santa Barbara coast. Or the big nuclear plants.

[happyinca]

Here is a photo of the plant:

Carlsbad Desalination Project | Desalination Plant

[fengxg]

Originally Posted by happyinca

Hmmm I don't think that is likely. California will develop their own local supply from the Pacific ocean. Then Southern California won't need as much water from the Colorado River. That will free up more water for Arizona. I work in water, read all the articles daily and there are no plans to build a pipeline from Los Angeles to Southern Nevada.

The Desalination Plant in Carlsbad will only supply 7% of the water to San Diego County. The plants won't produce enough to supply California. There won't be enough left over to ship water to Arizona or Nevada. Not to mention the cost to build those pipelines so that idea is not feasible.

Reducing California's dependence on the Colorado River is a win/win for Arizona though.

My point is pumping ocean water to Nevada to form salt lakes there. The evaporation of the lakes will bring more rain to Nevada and Arizona. The lakes themselves will increase the land value of Nevada. Building a 500 mile pipeline costs less than a highway of the same length, and solar or wind can be used to pump the water.

Just some wild thoughts.

[happyinca]

Originally Posted by fengxg

My point is pumping ocean water to Nevada to form salt lakes there. The evaporation of the lakes will bring more rain to Nevada and Arizona. The lakes themselves will increase the land value of Nevada. Building a 500 mile pipeline costs less than a highway of the same length, and solar or wind can be used to pump the water.

Just some wild thoughts.

I think you are 100 years ahead of everyone else! When there are 300 Desal plants in California, and more water than California needs, then they can build those pipelines and pump the water to Arizona.

[tijlover]

Let's not forget that Baja California also gets a portion of the Colorado River water as well, and lessening their dependence on the river water would help as well. And they could build a desal plant 40 miles south of Yuma on the Gulf of California. But, they're not going to spend the money to build one, the Big 3 would have to do that!

Long ago, Harry Chandler, of Los Angeles, had a huge 800,000 acre spread west of Yuma, and he was instrumental in delaying the construction of the Hoover Dam. When the negotiations for allotments took place, he made sure there'd be an allotment for his acreage in Baja.

[corydon]

Originally Posted by fengxg

My point is pumping ocean water to Nevada to form salt lakes there. The evaporation of the lakes will bring more rain to Nevada and Arizona. The lakes themselves will increase the land value of Nevada. Building a 500 mile pipeline costs less than a highway of the same length, and solar or wind can be used to pump the water.

Just some wild thoughts.

There are a few lakes out there, and it is not exactly pooring rain. But that is something I have no knowledge about...
What if the water transforms in rain clouds and the wind takes it to Indiana????? Os worse, Florida, where it rains more than enough.

[happyinca]

Originally Posted by tijlover

Let's not forget that Baja California also gets a portion of the Colorado River water as well, and lessening their dependence on the river water would help as well. And they could build a desal plant 40 miles south of Yuma on the Gulf of California. But, they're not going to spend the money to build one, the Big 3 would have to do that!

Long ago, Harry Chandler, of Los Angeles, had a huge 800,000 acre spread west of Yuma, and he was instrumental in delaying the construction of the Hoover Dam. When the negotiations for allotments took place, he made sure there'd be an allotment for his acreage in Baja.

A Desal plant is being built in Baja. Otay Water District (South San Diego) is involved and will purchase some of the water. I don't have a lot of info on it but here is a link:

The Star-News | Star news Chula vista|star news national city|National City local news|national city local business|national city sports

[tijlover]

Exciting, encouraging news Happyinca, thanks for that upload! Nice thing about situating it in Rosarito Beach is you don't have a bunch of screaming/arguing NIMBY's to delay its construction for years, perhaps a decade! This will lessen Baja's dependence on Colorado River water as well, but you'll still have that water-sucking Baja agricultural district west of Yuma, AZ to contend with.

And, let's hope this adds more much-needed greenery to the Tijuana/Rosarito Beach areas as well.

[fengxg]

Originally Posted by corydon

There are a few lakes out there, and it is not exactly pooring rain. But that is something I have no knowledge about...
What if the water transforms in rain clouds and the wind takes it to Indiana????? Os worse, Florida, where it rains more than enough.

The effects of large lakes causing precipitation is called lake effect. The lake has to be of decent size to have lake effect. The only lake on Colorado Plateau that has lake effect is the Great Salt Lake. The precipitation of Salt Lake City is much more than area nearby. If we can make a lake in Lincoln County north of Las Vegas, it will make Nevada and Northern Arizona much wetter.

[happyinca]

Originally Posted by tijlover

Exciting, encouraging news Happyinca, thanks for that upload! Nice thing about situating it in Rosarito Beach is you don't have a bunch of screaming/arguing NIMBY's to delay its construction for years, perhaps a decade! This will lessen Baja's dependence on Colorado River water as well, but you'll still have that water-sucking Baja agricultural district west of Yuma, AZ to contend with.

And, let's hope this adds more much-needed greenery to the Tijuana/Rosarito Beach areas as well.

You are welcome. I spoke with someone today involved with the project. I think they are about two years away from coming on-line. Yes it will lessen their need for Colorado River water which indeed is a good thing.