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Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64
So in your mind Liberals are akin to Nazis, and you're acting as Schindler to save the Frank's from them?
Some of the things you post...
Yeah, the OP really comes off as having a vendetta rife with scapegoats and extreme philosophy with an out of touch black and white mentality, unaware that these divisions really cause more harm than good. It's very sad.
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Originally Posted by ramoscats
I do not consider myself neither Republican nor Democrat. I am an independent voter. Why must everything be black and white? What happened to people being a little bit of both? Why MUST I be religious if I tend to have fiscally conservative views? Why MUST I believe in the government controlling everything if I believe in marriage equality? Can't I be fiscally conservative and believe in marriage equality? Can't I support the 2nd amendment and be pro-choice? Can't I be an atheist who owns a 12 gauge shotgun and supports public education?
I feel alienated by the current political climate.
Yeah, the OP really comes off as having a vendetta rife with scapegoats and extreme philosophy with an out of touch black and white mentality, unaware that these divisions really cause more harm than good. It's very sad.
Amen.
Notice the quote says good men not all men.
Edmund Burke
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.
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Originally Posted by autism360
Notice the quote says good men not all men.
Edmund Burke
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.
Digging up wise quotes doesn't negate my point, nor does it relate to most anything you've said in this thread. People move to Arizona for a variety of reasons. You're painting a picture of evil scapegoats to blame, when that is not really the case. Arizona will change (like EVERYWHERE else), especially with a new generation growing up there. Not sure how you would correlate Arizona's transplants with the holocaust but that's the kind of strange ideology you are bringing to this thread. It's important to stay attune to changes and progress, but your divisive and extreme us vs. them ideology is not productive. It's essentially like a dog chasing its own tail.
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Digging up wise quotes doesn't negate my point, nor does it relate to most anything you've said in this thread. People move to Arizona for a variety of reasons. You're painting a picture of evil scapegoats to blame, when that is not really the case. Arizona will change (like EVERYWHERE else), especially with a new generation growing up there. Not sure how you would correlate Arizona's transplants with the holocaust but that's the kind of strange ideology you are bringing to this thread. It's important to stay attune to changes and progress, but your divisive and extreme us vs. them ideology is not productive. It's essentially like a dog chasing its own tail.
So what you are saying is if someone rakes a patriotic principled stand against liberal policies and actions they are divisive and bad and need to be shut down. That is the liberal way, you want no opposition to the liberal agenda. and you want those that disagree with yoo to shut up.
How UNAMERICAN you sound. America was built on freedom of speech not silencing everyone who disagrees with you.
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So what you are saying is if someone rakes a patriotic principled stand against liberal policies and actions they are divisive and bad and need to be shut down. That is the liberal way, you want no opposition to the liberal agenda. and you want those that disagree with yoo to shut up.
How UNAMERICAN you sound. Amerca was built on freedom of speech not silencing everyone who disagrees with you.
No, see here's the thing you don't realize. Everything seems black and white to you and any thought that is contrary to your own you immediately paint as liberal. I didn't even present a specific agenda, and you paint me as one of your scapegoats. I'm just exercising my own first amendment rights as well as you are.
Just imagine, it is actual possible for one to hold multiple views on both the left and the right being pro second amendment and pro public education for example. But you keep going back to these same circles that any view other than your own is GASP liberal and must be exterminated. Somebody can also be liberal or have moderate views and still be patriotic, so don't pull that card on me. You keep playing the scapegoat card, it's it's extremely trite. Our 50 states, including Arizona are a lot more dynamic that you can imagine. But they don't fit into your little box of black or white and left or right, so it doesn't surprise me that you're not understanding this.
And for the record, I also can't stand those on the far left that are unable to comprehend anything other than their own extreme views. It's essentially the same handicap, the other side of the same coin that your extreme views from the right come from. Neither seem capable of grasping any kind of independent or critical thought, which is why Left vs Right political discussions (especially from extremists on either side) are rarely productive and usually end up in the same hysterical circles of bickering. That's what you are bringing here. I'm calling you out on it, but that makes it UNAMERICAN? That's bizarre to say the least, along with many other things you've said here.
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No, see here's the thing you don't realize. Everything seems black and white to you and any thought that is contrary to your own you immediately paint as liberal. I didn't even present a specific agenda, and you paint me as one of your scapegoats. I'm just exercising my own first amendment rights as well as you are.
Just imagine, it is actual possible for one to hold multiple views on both the left and the right being pro second amendment and pro public education for example. But you keep going back to these same circles that any view other than your own is GASP liberal and must be exterminated. Somebody can also be liberal or have moderate views and still be patriotic, so don't pull that card on me. You keep playing the scapegoat card, it's it's extremely trite. Our 50 states, including Arizona are a lot more dynamic that you can imagine. But they don't fit into your little box of black or white and left or right, so it doesn't surprise me that you're not understanding this.
And for the record, I also can't stand those on the far left that are unable to comprehend anything other than their own extreme views. It's essentially the same handicap, the other side of the same coin that your extreme views from the right come from. Neither seem capable of grasping any kind of independent or critical thought, which is why Left vs Right political discussions (especially from extremists on either side) are rarely productive and usually end up in the same hysterical circles of bickering. That's what you are bringing here. I'm calling you out on it, but that makes it UNAMERICAN? That's bizarre to say the least, along with many other things you've said here.
Please stay on topic concerning the migration of population shifts from progressive liberal states to conservative states including Arizona.
Do you have any Facts to support your thoughts that the huge population shift from liberal to conservative states is unrelated to liberalism or is it something you feel ? Liberals rely mostly on feelings and are short on facts.
I have found that on this forum no matter how much proof I provide showing the failures of liberalism and its doctrines liberals will attack and never concede that liberalism is destructive and does not work.
Look at the last 7 years under liberal king obama everything has gone downhill.
I am always accused of being divisive because I have accepted that liberalism has never worked, does not work and will never work.
The IRS and Census statistics provide overwhelming evidence that the top 5 places losing huge amounts of people are liberal states or liberal leaning states, the states where people are migrating to are mostly solidly conservative states, you want to pass this off as coincidence even when a liberal paper concedes the point by allowing someone who is not a liberal to concede the point in their Daily Beast news site.
If want you to argue with someone go to the census bureau or the IRS they provided the statistics. These are what you call FACTS.
New census numbers show citizens fleeing by the millions from liberal states and flocking in comparable numbers to bastions of right-wing sentiment. Call it the Great Political Migration.
Between 2009 and 2010 the five biggest losers in terms of “residents lost to other states” were all prominent redoubts of progressivism: California, New York, Illinois, Michigan, and New Jersey. Meanwhile, the five biggest winners in the relocation sweepstakes are all commonly identified as red states in which Republicans generally dominate local politics: Florida, Texas, North Carolina, Arizona, and Georgia. Expanding the review to a 10-year span, the biggest population gainers (in percentage terms) have been even more conservative than last year’s winners: Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, and Texas, in that order.
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it’s not surprising that states with pro-business, pro-family attitudes draw disproportionate numbers of new arrivals. At the same time, it makes sense that those states with aggressive, intrusive bureaucracies, high taxes, and relentless experiments in multiculturalism will encourage mass departures.
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The newly released data set in motion the reapportionment of the 435 House seats among the 50 states — a high-stakes process that will redraw the election map for the next decade.
The changes recorded in this year's census were expected to play into the hands of Republicans, with GOP-leaning states gaining the most seats and many Democratic strongholds, such as New York, losing. But shifts in the numbers of minorities might even things out politically, experts said.
Texas, with a population growth of 20.6 percent since 2000, will gain four new House seats, and Florida will gain two. Gaining one each are Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, South Carolina, Utah and Washington.
Ohio and New York will lose two House seats each. Losing one House seat are Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey and Pennsylvania.
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Originally Posted by autism360
Please stay on topic concerning the migration of population shifts from progressive liberal states to conservative states including Arizona.
Do you have any Facts to support your thoughts that the huge population shift from liberal to conservative states is unrelated to liberalism or is it something you feel ?
I'm moving there in 2016, it has nothing to do with politics. I love the state, love the scenery, love the weather, I like how new everything is, and I'm an avid outdoorsman to which Arizona provides a plethora of opportunity for me to indulge in. See...there's a lot more to life than politics. Sorry I don't fit into your imagined political mold.
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Originally Posted by autism360
Liberals rely mostly on feelings and are short on facts.
Enough with the blanket statements already. Extreme liberals and hard core conservatives both tend to be on the emotional side.
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Originally Posted by autism360
I have found that on this forum no matter how much proof I provide showing the failures of liberalism and its doctrines liberals will attack and never concede that liberalism is destructive and does not work.
And I've found in real life that both parties are extremely flawed and failure to compromise has weakened our strength and noisy extremists on both sides tend to do the most damage. Just like the ones in the AZ legislature and that good old sheriff that tarnish AZ's reputation and perception, while the governor must hire a committee to which he thinks will restore the state's reputation and change people's unwelcoming perception of the state. Fortunately, I can recognize there are countless flaws on both sides in all states and choose not to consume myself with that kind of hysteria. Which is why none of that nonsense would ever hinder my decision to move to AZ.
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Originally Posted by autism360
Look at the last 7 years under liberal king obama everything has gone downhill.
Well I'm sorry that the sky fell on you. I know I'm doing much better now than I was seven years ago.
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Originally Posted by autism360
The IRS and Census statistics provide overwhelming evidence that the top 5 places losing huge amounts of people are liberal states or liberal leaning states, the states where people are migrating to are mostly solidly conservative states, you want to pass this off as coincidence even when a liberal paper concedes the point by allowing someone who is not a liberal to concede the point in their Daily Beast news site.
If want you to argue with someone go to the census bureau or the IRS they provided the statistics.[/url]
Politics is a part of it, yes. Flawed liberal politics in Northeastern states send people running to that sunbelt for some or many perhaps. But the way I see it, weather is a very domineering factor for many, the sunbelt states are naturally going to be pro-growth and they have much more land to build on than the crowded Northeastern states, so migration trends are obviously a combination of many different factors. I also don't see solidly conservative states or solidly liberal states. I just don't see it like you do.
Blue states aren't quite the horror show you are describing for everyone. I have Republican friends and family members in Massachusetts that absolutely wouldn't want to live anywhere else and are making good, healthy, productive lives for themselves there. That's what I intend to do in Arizona as well, not for political leanings.
That's abysmal. An inconvenient truth that you and your ilk would probably rather not discuss. Meanwhile these kids get screwed. See? Both parties are flawed.
Last edited by Champ le monstre du lac; 09-30-2015 at 06:30 PM..
I'm moving there in 2016, it has nothing to do with politics. I love the state, love the scenery, love the weather, I like how new everything is, and I'm an avid outdoorsman to which Arizona provides a plethora of opportunity for me to indulge in. See...there's a lot more to life than politics. Sorry I don't fit into your imagined political mold.
Enough with the blanket statements already. Extreme liberals and hard core conservatives both tend to be on the emotional side.
And I've found in real life that both parties are extremely flawed and failure to compromise has weakened our strength and noisy extremists on both sides tend to do the most damage. Just like the ones in the AZ legislature and that good old sheriff that tarnish AZ's reputation and perception, while the governor must hire a committee to which he thinks will restore the state's reputation and change people's unwelcoming perception of the state. Fortunately, I can recognize there are countless flaws on both sides in all states and choose not to consume myself with that kind of hysteria. Which is why none of that nonsense would ever hinder my decision to move to AZ.
Well I'm sorry that the sky fell on you. I know I'm doing much better now than I was seven years ago.
Politics is a part of it, yes. Flawed liberal politics in Northeastern states send people running to that sunbelt for some or many perhaps. But the way I see it, weather is a very domineering factor for many, the sunbelt states are naturally going to be pro-growth and they have much more land to build on than the crowded Northeastern states, so migration trends are obviously a combination of many different factors. I also don't see solidly conservative states or solidly liberal states. I just don't see it like you do.
Blue states aren't quite the horror show you are describing for everyone. I have Republican friends and family members in Massachusetts that absolutely wouldn't want to live anywhere else and are making good, healthy, productive lives for themselves there. That's what I intend to do in Arizona as well, not for political leanings.
That's abysmal. An inconvenient truth that you and your ilk would probably rather not discuss. Meanwhile these kids get screwed. See? Both parties are flawed.
So you do not have any facts relating to the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD and I do. I have given the IRS and Census data and you have nothing but a feeling. Good luck with living by feelings rather than facts moving forward in the future.
I almost cannot believe You are already bashing Arizona on a topic totally unrelated to this thread and you have not even moved here yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Arizona did not have so many illegals to educate we would not be 47th, of course that is another liberal issue, liberals want open borders but do not consider that illegals come with a cost, someone has to provide food ,shelter,medical and education
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So you do not have any facts on your side and I do. I have the IRS and Census data and you have nothing but a feeling. Good luck with living by feelings rather than facts moving forward in the future.
You're dismissing relevance, not taking into account several factors that contribute to sunbelt's growth. THE FACT of migration is that it doesn't all boil down to 100% politics, and several other anecdotal factors will be included when one plans to move. It's only human. You get accused of being divisive because you see red states and blue states as either to the left of a socialist dictator of the the right of Attila the Hun. Fortunately that's not the world I live in. You also bypassed AZ's status in education like I knew you would. It's clear that you are running out of steam. You don't seem to engage well in debate, therefore you post something trite again.
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Originally Posted by autism360
If Arizona did not have so many illegals to educate we would not be 47th, of course that is another liberal issue, liberals want open borders but do not consider that illegals come with a cost, someone has to provide food ,shelter,medical and education
Oh you did come back and post about education. There you go with your scapegoating again, rather than getting to the core of the issues. Texas ranks # 27 in education, well ahead of Arizona. (https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...-schools/5335/). Texas has many illegal immigrants as well. A critical thinker would likely look at the very nature of the state government and legislature in the state itself, rather than blame a political party. But you're on repeat, blame dem liberals. It's boring.
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I almost cannot believe You are already bashing Arizona on a topic totally unrelated to this thread and you have not even moved here yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not bashing it, I love AZ just like I mentioned in a previous post, but you chose to ignore that part. I also love AZ's gun laws. So I can't bring up education or talk about the governor's brilliant plan? Or do YOU not want to talk about that? It's only OK for you to talk about liberal hysteria? Pfft, Get Real.. This would have been a good thread topic, but since you see the world so black and white, your premise and bias made it flawed from the very start.
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liberal and must be exterminated. Somebody can also be liberal or have moderate views and still be patriotic, so don't pull that card on me. You keep playing the scapegoat card, it's it's extremely trite. Our 50 states, including Arizona are a lot more dynamic that you can imagine. But they don't fit into your little box of black or white and left or right, so it doesn't surprise me that you're not understanding this.
