State assistance to low income families reduced to one year (fit in, crime rate)

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by 94buickcentury

Someone on the thread mentioned drug testing on food stamp recipients. That actually didn't work out too good. Too much money wasted on it while only less than 1% that were tested came out positive.

Drug Tests For Food Stamps: Terrible Policy, By The Numbers - Vocativ

It was in Florida, thanks to horrible governor Rick Scott

[Akonyo]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Yes, I do support Bernie Sanders, and he is not a communist!

I wasn't talking socialism, I was talking not letting people who can't succeed starve to death in the streets, much different from giving them a Benz and putting them in a penthouse. I am only talking about letting everyone survive, didn't say in what lifestyle!

You are twisting my words.

I never said I didn't support capitalism, but I don't support full unbridled capitalism, because I realize that not everyone can play the game, not everyone is smart, not everyone has access to education, some people just can't be taught skills; and with full unbridled capitalism with no social safety net, these people would die, which you are ok with! That's what I think is sick

I'll give you a brief synopsis of my back story.

I was born to a lower middle class family. My father was frequently out of work due to incompetence and laziness so my mother shouldered the burden of supporting my brother and I.

I worked from age 11 through now. I got good grades in high school and got into a state school. Despite my parent's modest income, I didn't get any scholarships or grants (I'm a white male so I can't be disadvantaged).

In college, I started my own Ebay business and bartended to get through, while maintaining a high GPA. Because of this, I didn't have to take out any loans. I finished magna *** laude and got into a very competitive grad school program in a desirable field (Again, being a white male, I had no boost here and I actually had to earn it).

The cost was very high so what did I do? I joined the military through a scholarship program that paid for my school and gave me a living stipend. I spent 4 years in the military and was discharged honorably a few months ago.

My current situation: 6 figure salary, no debt, multiple businesses with multiple streams of income (to protect myself from losing everything just in case one source falters).

And, oh yeah, I used condoms with all of the women that I dated so I have no kids.

I had to work very hard to get to where I am and I only accomplished that through blood, sweat, and tears. I could not fall back on parents, my gender, or my race. If I was lazier, I could have just given up and taken welfare or maybe had multiple kids, but I didn't.

Sorry Bernie Sanders, but I'm not giving up my money to people that were in the same situation that I was in, but made bad decisions or was too lazy to accomplish what I did. And I will not support them under any circumstances. If someone is making an effort and making good decisions, then, yes, I will support them. Unfortunately, these people are few and far between.

In conclusion and quite simply, if I could accomplish all of this, many others can too!

[94buickcentury]

Originally Posted by Akonyo

I'll give you a brief synopsis of my back story.

I was born to a lower middle class family. My father was frequently out of work due to incompetence and laziness so my mother shouldered the burden of supporting my brother and I.

I worked from age 11 through now. I got good grades in high school and got into a state school. Despite my parent's modest income, I didn't get any scholarships or grants (I'm a white male so I can't be disadvantaged).

In college, I started my own Ebay business and bartended to get through, while maintaining a high GPA. Because of this, I didn't have to take out any loans. I finished magna *** laude and got into a very competitive grad school program in a desirable field (Again, being a white male, I had no boost here and I actually had to earn it).

The cost was very high so what did I do? I joined the military through a scholarship program that paid for my school and gave me a living stipend. I spent 4 years in the military and was discharged honorably a few months ago.

My current situation: 6 figure salary, no debt, multiple businesses with multiple streams of income (to protect myself from losing everything just in case one source falters).

And, oh yeah, I used condoms with all of the women that I dated so I have no kids.

Sorry Bernie Sanders, but I had to work very hard to get to where I am and I only accomplished that through blood, sweat, and tears. I could not fall back on parents, my gender, or my race. If I was lazier, I could have just given up and taken welfare or maybe had multiple kids, but I didn't.

And if I could accomplish this, many others can too!

You are really not proving your point. Bernie Sanders wouldn't turn the country into a dictatorship. Capitalism would still exist, except that with DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM (not just socialism as there is a difference), the government would've help the people when needed through vital programs. If you think Sanders was extreme, then you would have to say the same for FDR and the new deal.

[Packard fan]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Have you ever thought that some are poor BECAUSE THEY HAD KIDS? Take me for instance, I make good money, but if I had a kid, wouldn't be so good anymore, due to the kid costing $1 of every $5 I make to raise without bringing anything back.

Unless you make 6 figures these days, having a kid will move you down minimum one social class if not two

Uh; I don't agree there since a high 5 figure income CAN be over 90K dollars and, even 40K a year can raise a kid. Maybe not in fancy Scottsdale but in a place like Bullhead City, Kingman, Globe and so on.

[Akonyo]

Originally Posted by 94buickcentury

You are really not proving your point. Bernie Sanders wouldn't turn the country into a dictatorship. Capitalism would still exist, except that with DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM (not just socialism as there is a difference), the government would've help the people when needed through vital programs. If you think Sanders was extreme, then you would have to say the same for FDR and the new deal.

My point is that poor people should stop whining and expecting handouts and should start working. If they could provide value to society, they will make money and eliminate the need for government programs.

I don't want my taxes going to government programs when they are unnecessary. And I will do everything I can to fight against that (including vote and even run for public office if need be....or make enough money to influence policy changes in my local government).

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Akonyo

My point is that poor people should stop whining and expecting handouts and should start working. If they could provide value to society, they will make money and eliminate the need for government programs.

I don't want my taxes going to government programs when they are unnecessary. And I will do everything I can to fight against that (including vote and even run for public office if need be....or make enough money to influence policy changes in my local government).

Some of these people will never make more than maybe $9/hr, and at those wages, you still need benefits to survive, like I said, YOU ARE AN EXCEPTION, NOT THE RULE!!! Get that thru your head, you are obviously smarter and more talented than a lot of people

[94buickcentury]

Originally Posted by Akonyo

My point is that poor people should stop whining and expecting handouts and should start working. If they could provide value to society, they will make money and eliminate the need for government programs.

I don't want my taxes going to government programs when they are unnecessary. And I will do everything I can to fight against that (including vote and even run for public office if need be....or make enough money to influence policy changes in my local government).

If you are worried about government waste, food stamps is the absolutely wrong place to look at. Money spent on SNAP is a tiny, miniscule percentage compared to military. So in other words, be upset with the military spending, not food stamps.

[Akonyo]

Originally Posted by 94buickcentury

If you are worried about government waste, food stamps is the absolutely wrong place to look at. Money spent on SNAP is a tiny, miniscule percentage compared to military. So in other words, be upset with the military spending, not food stamps.

Oh, trust me, being a former military officer, I know all about the massive fraud, waste, and abuse that goes on in the federal government.

That certainly doesn't mean that it's not happening with SNAP and similar programs.

[Akonyo]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Some of these people will never make more than maybe $9/hr, and at those wages, you still need benefits to survive, like I said, YOU ARE AN EXCEPTION, NOT THE RULE!!! Get that thru your head, you are obviously smarter and more talented than a lot of people

Persistence and resourcefulness (two things that everybody is capable of) has gotten me to where I am more than intelligence. I can assure you of this.

[fluffythewondercat]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Some of these people will never make more than maybe $9/hr, and at those wages, you still need benefits to survive, like I said, YOU ARE AN EXCEPTION, NOT THE RULE!!! Get that thru your head, you are obviously smarter and more talented than a lot of people

Why do you look down on unsuccessful people? Why the barely-concealed sneer?

Could it be you need to keep the poor down so you can feel good about yourself? Because otherwise you'd be all over jobs programs and time-limited housing assistance, because they've proven to be successful at giving people a hand up.

Actually, I think you learned the elitist attitude from your public school teachers.