View Poll Results: Prop 205 to Legalize Recreational Marijuana in Arizona
I vote YES.
84 66.14%
I vote NO.
37 29.13%
Undecided / No Opinion
6 4.72%
10-14-2016, 10:59 AM
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elkotronics
Ah it all makes sense now. A self-proclaimed bible thumper, so facts are of no use and fear drives thought control. When a position cannot be defended with facts, "faith" seems to be the answer. There's no reasoning with someone like that. He who does not fear God will pay a large, large price for it. Do as you may. Enjoy your porno. Smoke your pot. Cuss out your neighbor. Spread your waste far and wide. Spout your nonsense to anyone who's dumb and will listen. It's not my funeral. It's yours.
Nice threat. I'm terrified.
Your assertion that I'm a bad person, watching porn and spreading waste(?!!) because I don't believe in fairy tales and fables perfectly illustrates the hypocrisy of the religious. How "Christian" of you.
For the record, I haven't smoked pot in probably 15 years. I simply prefer facts to dictate legislation rather than unfounded fear and blind "faith".
10-14-2016, 11:16 AM
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elkotronics
Keep laughing Nate the Great. You will not like how your cocky attitude resonates in your life and those around you. I for one feel your pain. You're not a very happy person. You're also a coward. Why? Because, like those who persecuted Jesus (who only helped people - all of the time) you would rather toss firebombs at peaceful people for fun just because you can.
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the legalization of pot, but I'll respond to your attack. You're right, I'm in agony with a fulfilling life full of love, family, friends, travel and a successful career. On second thought, I think I'm doing just fine, but thanks for the concern!
Keep showing that "Christian" kindness!
10-14-2016, 12:05 PM
Location: East Central Phoenix
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elkotronics
Yes, I'm a Bible Thumper...and I'm really, really proud of it. Alcohol is in the Bible and we can drink alcohol - in moderation. Marijuana? I don't have a researched answer for that one. And if I don't have an answer that I can verify and validate from God's Word the Bible, I remain unconvinced of the lasting goodness of a flowering marijuana sales climate in these United States. I thing it's just plain dumb ta make it a cash cow for the state's individual coffers. We just read about the horrible statistics regarding young people smoking pot and driving. The numbers are not pretty. I'd hate for some kid to plow into any of us on Arizona, Washington or Colorado streets. Spin it however you want, but the "easiness" of the current pot sales climate in America will bite us in the butt. I guarantee it. It is not a safe drug to consume and drive an automobile. If you want to Uber a rig for yourself while you're stoned, that's a different story.
This makes absolutely no sense at all. You claim alcohol is in the Bible, so that makes it OK in moderation. Marijuana is also in the Bible (stated under a somewhat different reference) ... and besides, if the God you believe in created all forms of life, that would include plant life as well. Therefore, God must have created the seeds for marijuana to be planted. You have a right to your opinions, but making a substance illegal based on religious beliefs is completely asinine.
Furthermore, the chances of somebody plowing into another vehicle are much greater with alcohol consumption than with marijuana. Keep in mind, I don't like marijuana and I'm personally against it, but I see no reason to keep it illegal based on supposed moral reasons ... especially when pushing morality & religion haven't curbed the usage, the trade, or the addiction. Voting against legalization is the same as saying that it's OK for people to continue to obtain marijuana through the underground market.
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DetroitN8V
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the legalization of pot, but I'll respond to your attack. You're right, I'm in agony with a fulfilling life full of love, family, friends, travel and a successful career. On second thought, I think I'm doing just fine, but thanks for the concern!
Keep showing that "Christian" kindness!
Many of these so called Christians who thump their Bible and attempt to shape our law system based on their own personal religious beliefs are full of hot air, as I'm sure you've noticed by now. I see no connection between religion and marijuana anyway.
10-14-2016, 01:35 PM
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elkotronics
Ah it all makes sense now. A self-proclaimed bible thumper, so facts are of no use and fear drives thought control. When a position cannot be defended with facts, "faith" seems to be the answer. There's no reasoning with someone like that.
This is ridiculous. The idea that there is a god is laughable to me, yet I still have high morals. You are living your life with a belief that is silly, the Muslims and other are no sillier than Christians IMO and religion is a HUGE part of the worlds' problems. Stay in Missouri please.
10-14-2016, 01:58 PM
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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elkotronics
He who does not fear God will pay a large, large price for it. .
That's an empty threat.
"Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man." - Thomas Paine
10-14-2016, 02:44 PM
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Man, this thread makes me believe people are already dabbling, legal or not.
10-14-2016, 02:56 PM
Location: Pinetop-Lakeside, AZ
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This law does nothing to legalize driving while impaired, I do not see the logic that if marijuana is legalized somehow our roads are suddenly going to be filled with (more) stoned drivers.
10-14-2016, 04:18 PM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I've mentioned the flaws of this prop in earlier posts. There's much I dislike. It will increase bureaucracy and taxes under the age old banner of "save the schools, save the children" and the usual claptrap. There was even a point where I reconsidered my soft support and debated voting "no" because of how bad it is. At the end of the day, however, it will keep people out of jail. That's one major benefit. Non-violent offenders guilty of crimes with no victim should not be locked away. That lacks logic and moral sense and creates colossal waste in spending.
Prop 205 does not have to be the end of the road. If it passes, the negative aspects can still be fought against in the future.
The article below highlights an absurd trend. Arrest rates for marijuana is higher than
all violent crime:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...imes-combined/
Those of us in Maricopa County can make great inroads with criminal justice reform this election. Not only is Prop 205 on the ballot but we have another chance to remove Arpaio from office.
10-14-2016, 04:57 PM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Originally Posted by
elkotronics
Ah it all makes sense now. A self-proclaimed bible thumper, so facts are of no use and fear drives thought control. When a position cannot be defended with facts, "faith" seems to be the answer. There's no reasoning with someone like that.
Where did porn come into this discussion??? If there is a God, I'm fairly certain he's far more interested in whether I treat my fellow man with kindness and respect than whether I'm enjoying a **** and a smoke in the privacy of my own home.
**Edit: It's really funny which words get censored on here. Didn't expect that one.
10-15-2016, 02:39 AM
Location: Phoenix, AZ area
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Bondurant
I've mentioned the flaws of this prop in earlier posts. There's much I dislike. It will increase bureaucracy and taxes under the age old banner of "save the schools, save the children" and the usual claptrap. There was even a point where I reconsidered my soft support and debated voting "no" because of how bad it is. At the end of the day, however, it will keep people out of jail. That's one major benefit. Non-violent offenders guilty of crimes with no victim should not be locked away. That lacks logic and moral sense and creates colossal waste in spending.
Prop 205 does not have to be the end of the road. If it passes, the negative aspects can still be fought against in the future.
The article below highlights an absurd trend. Arrest rates for marijuana is higher than
all violent crime:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...imes-combined/
Those of us in Maricopa County can make great inroads with criminal justice reform this election. Not only is Prop 205 on the ballot but we have another chance to remove Arpaio from office.
If it passes the only fight left requires us to sue to alter it. With the Voter Protection Act in place we can't easily alter ballot initiatives, and that is including another vote. For example in Colorado they banned certain edibles because of the issues their law created with them and children but we won't be able to do that. Our only hope is the regulation board this law creates does something, this board has 3 seats that must be filled by industry insiders. What's worse is these seats are not elected officials.
The idea that this will free people who are locked up for nothing g is nonsense. The Maricopa Attorney said this will have an effect on 0.5% of the prison population, about 250 people. We have a 3 strike rule on basic possession which is all this will address, we prefer to use addiction type treatment over jail time.
The law is bad and the advertising and promotion is false and misleading.
Prop 205: How it Doesn’t Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol | Center for Arizona Policy
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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