AZ minimum wage increases question? (Tucson, Surprise: how much, movies, subsidized)

[Potential_Landlord]

Glancing over my expenditures the only factor that has gone up significantly from year ago is gas. I paid $1.32 twelve months ago vs. $2 now. For us that's about $50 more per month. Our grocery budget is hardly up at all and we hardly ever go out eating. Car repair expenses are actually down as we use a come to our place service where I provide the parts.
Something to keep an eye on is cost of financing as interest rates are up a bit. If this continues (not sure it will) then buying homes, cars and other big ticket items will be more expensive.

[AZ_Rookie]

^^^thats gonna happen anyway if things begin to be made in America again (not just big ticket items).

[man4857]

Originally Posted by AZ_Rookie

^^^ to post above

I'm responsible for me and those counting on me - not those that didn't plan to take care of themselves.

You can stomp your feet all you want - paying someone more because they are hungry is not the way it works. If someone thinks they are worth more, they'll get the job they are valued at. But if a low paying job is all they are capable of, they need to plan for a higher paying jobs (not stomp their feet and cry foul because someone doesn't agree - or simply demand more money because you can't pay rent with an entry level job).

Minimum wage can be 20 per hour, what difference does it make when the cost of living goes up and they can't afford rent... Then stomp feet until it's 40 per hour?... Learn more and earn more. Don't just say I deserve more cause I'm hungry.

I don't even think you understand the argument. This minimum wage argument, along with many government run welfare "socialist" programs exists because of the nature of capitalism.
I don't care how highly educated you are, I don't care how hard you work. If everyone worked hard and had tons of skills, the free market will drive their wages down, because... supply and demand. That's the fundamental nature of how the system works. Someone WILL be at the bottom and the people at the bottom are always the majority... Because if you increase supply, demand drops, dropping the price of labor because a large number of people will want to do the same thing for less versus not doing anything at all. However, due to how our economy works, money = opportunity. If you're in the working class, how do you get the opportunity to work your way out if no welfare exists at all? That's just a downward spiral that's not going anywhere.

Plus, if we were to keep the minimum wage flat at $8.05/hr instead of $10. Do you think prices of goods and services will not increase? If prices of goods does increase, where does that extra cash go? It's definitely not to the worker's wages.

[man4857]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Exactly! It all comes down to everybody being responsible for their own lives, their own destinies, and their own families. It seems as though the bleeding hearts are never satisfied and will always demand more money, whether it's higher wages for low skilled jobs, higher taxes for public services, or government paid health care, child care, FMLA time, or whatever else. And who pays the price? The rest of us.

The cost of goods & services always increase when minimum wages increase, and we're seeing it now in many restaurants & stores. The lowest wage earners will never have a higher standard of living even when their wages increase, and the middle class who rarely ever see an increase in their wages are being hit harder due to the higher cost of living.

Your arguments makes no sense.
1. When is anyone of all income levels ever satisfied with what they have and don't demand more money? If someone gave you a raise will you reject it? If your employer offers no raises will you be happy?

2. The cost of goods and services will always increase regardless of the minimum wage. The problem is the purchasing power of the unit of currency to maintain the standard of living.


Those government paid/mandated services is to purposely raise the standard of living and quality of life for all people of all income ranges. Which overall reduces crime, homelessness, poverty and increases happiness and social order. (Proof: See Scandinavia) Do you think we don't benefit if for example, government run and paid healthcare where to happen? Do you think somehow the government will exclude certain classes of people? Government programs applies to all citizens especially the programs you're talking about.

[Caves19]

Yeah it's $12 in 2020. This year it went up to $10 an hour and it will add $.50 each year until 2020 making it $12 an hour. I heard somewhere though that they were trying to repeal it.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Caves19

Yeah it's $12 in 2020. This year it went up to $10 an hour and it will add $.50 each year until 2020 making it $12 an hour. I heard somewhere though that they were trying to repeal it.

Yeah, because the anti-worker Chamber of Commerce never wanted it, and the state House is thinking of kissing the ring and doing their bidding

[Potential_Landlord]

Well, the Supreme Court upheld Prop 206 and it's now a done deal.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...ess+Journal%29

[LBTRS]

Originally Posted by Potential_Landlord

Well, the Supreme Court upheld Prop 206 and it's now a done deal.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...ess+Journal%29

This is unfortunate.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by LBTRS

This is unfortunate.

Could you imagine if the AZ Supreme Court reversed it? Floodgates would open every time any voter initiative went through.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Potential_Landlord

Well, the Supreme Court upheld Prop 206 and it's now a done deal.

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...ess+Journal%29

Awesome, take that Chamber of Commerce