Senate to weigh asking voters to toss initiative protections (Scottsdale: live in, moving to)

[teddyearp]

Originally Posted by whitem3

I guess these people feel they know what's best for the citizens of Arizona. This bill would silence the voters. I'll bet this has everything to do with the legalization of marijuana and their opposition of it.

The Arizona Senate will decide whether to ask voters next year to repeal or revise a 1998 constitutional amendment that prevents lawmakers from changing or getting rid of voter-approved laws.

Senate to weigh asking voters to toss initiative protections - KVOA | KVOA.com | Tucson, Arizona

Originally Posted by Valley Native

The 1998 law was the best thing that happened regarding state ballot propositions. Before then, whenever voters approved measures, they would often be altered or eliminated by the Legislature or judges. The final say should always rest with the voters ... not overbearing government bureaucrats!

If this does hit the ballot, I for one will certainly be voting against it. I have already (finally) fled the state that had the scenario that Valley Native posted above. Washington state. Every time the voters passed a initiative that the legislature didn't like, they tied it up in the courts until the two years passed for them to overturn it. I had a picture of Tim Eyman (who authored a boat load of tax reforms that passed) giving then Gov Gregoire the 'bird' as she was smiling while signing a bill overturning one of his voter approved bills.

Originally Posted by dvxhd

Is that not the norm in Arizona? I voted in the last election only to find this state (or maybe just the county, to be fair) conveniently voided my ballot when I voted against Trump, thus my vote never counted (though they've been mailing me ballots ever since I moved here and registered within days of arriving). I know they voided it because I actually called in to verify it when my online records said they had no record of me voting, though I did, and the woman who answered when I called to complain told me there wasn't really much she would do. Whatever I guess... Arizona mantra to justify why people had to move here... liberty, freedom and all that nonsense.

Hmm, funny. I voted for Trump, yet I didn't see my ballot counted either, since I changed my party affiliation to 'none'. this may be a good post to again affirm that:

https://www.city-data.com/forum/arizo...not-think.html

[madison999]

is there a list of names of those pushing this?

People who can be voted out...

[Coop01]

I haven't read the proposal. I am no fan of government but I think it's a great idea in general. Initiatives are almost always started and funded by big (usually out of state) entities with an agenda and huge financial or social benefits for them and a tax increase for the tax payers.

None of them are started by grass roots people. Even the California famous "PROP 13" was supported by corporations that owned huge properties because those properties are seldom, if ever, sold. A holding company leases the building back to the parent company and avoids a reappraisal. However residential property is sold on average in 7 years.

50% of the voters are ignorant and clueless anyway if you believe the HRC voters. They think it's just "Deplorable" that Trump was elected. (Please no reference to the popular vote)Big government will always find a way to subvert the initiative if there is something in it for their supporters.
GO TRUMP!

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by Coop01

I haven't read the proposal. I am no fan of government but I think it's a great idea in general. Initiatives are almost always started and funded by big (usually out of state) entities with an agenda and huge financial or social benefits for them and a tax increase for the tax payers.

None of them are started by grass roots people. Even the California famous "PROP 13" was supported by corporations that owned huge properties because those properties are seldom, if ever, sold. A holding company leases the building back to the parent company and avoids a reappraisal. However residential property is sold on average in 7 years.

50% of the voters are ignorant and clueless anyway if you believe the HRC voters. They think it's just "Deplorable" that Trump was elected. (Please no reference to the popular vote)Big government will always find a way to subvert the initiative if there is something in it for their supporters.
GO TRUMP!

So what? Therefore we should let our seemingly not corporate funded legislators to do what they want to do?

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by Coop01

I haven't read the proposal. I am no fan of government but I think it's a great idea in general. Initiatives are almost always started and funded by big (usually out of state) entities with an agenda and huge financial or social benefits for them and a tax increase for the tax payers.

None of them are started by grass roots people. Even the California famous "PROP 13" was supported by corporations that owned huge properties because those properties are seldom, if ever, sold. A holding company leases the building back to the parent company and avoids a reappraisal. However residential property is sold on average in 7 years.

You're correct about some of the initiatives ... however, many others have resulted in getting the government off our backs, such as the 1998 proposition which mandated that the Legislature keep its hands off any voter backed initiative. What it comes down to is the voters need to educate themselves and decide what initiatives need to pass and which ones need to be defeated. If something passes which later turns out to be a mistake, an initiative can be placed on an upcoming ballot to overturn it. I'd much rather have issues decided by the voters than overbearing elite government bureaucrats who think they know what's best for the rest of us!

[whitem3]

An Arizona Senate panel dominated by Republicans rejected concerns from voting rights activists and advanced legislation that opponents say will make it harder to get citizen initiatives on the ballot.

Senate panel OKs bill targeting voter initiatives - KVOA | KVOA.com | Tucson, Arizona

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by whitem3

An Arizona Senate panel dominated by Republicans rejected concerns from voting rights activists and advanced legislation that opponents say will make it harder to get citizen initiatives on the ballot.

Senate panel OKs bill targeting voter initiatives - KVOA | KVOA.com | Tucson, Arizona

Disaster

[whitem3]

Not content to make gathering signatures more difficult, Republican lawmakers are now moving to impose new procedural requirements on voters who want to propose their own laws.

GOP lawmakers want further restrictions on voter initiatives | Local news | tucson.com

[ajonesaz]

Originally Posted by whitem3

An Arizona Senate panel dominated by Republicans rejected concerns from voting rights activists and advanced legislation that opponents say will make it harder to get citizen initiatives on the ballot.

Senate panel OKs bill targeting voter initiatives - KVOA | KVOA.com | Tucson, Arizona

This is the only one I somewhat agree with. Pay-per-signature doesn't help get citizen initiatives on the ballot. A lot of the signatures are grass roots campaigns. You shouldn't be able to get something on the ballot just because you have more money.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by ajonesaz

This is the only one I somewhat agree with. Pay-per-signature doesn't help get citizen initiatives on the ballot. A lot of the signatures are grass roots campaigns. You shouldn't be able to get something on the ballot just because you have more money.

Even so, the whole idea of a legislative body having so much control over what we can vote on really bothers me. Admittedly, there have been some bad initiatives approved by the voters (most recently, the minimum wage increase) ... however, the final say should always rest with the majority of the voting populace, not overbearing government bureaucrats. It's just another example of how the GOP majority is trying to stifle the will of the people, while claiming to be all about freedom and less government. I switched my party affiliation from Republican to Libertarian many years ago for reasons like this.