Arizona reports record deaths, leads nation in new case rate (stats, population)

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

Here's the deal when you use the raw number instead of a percentage. As of today, there have been 15,480 deaths in Arizona. If we have just one more death, making it 15,481, that's a new 'record' when reported the way this thread was. Get it?


We're going on and on about something that has killed .2% of the population, only 1.9% of those who have been infected, and has only infected 11% of our population.


Link: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


Most folks followed all the 'rules' all summer and into the fall. Did that stop the spike? No. Even Fauci was using the term 'herd immunity' the other day.


I feel sorry for those of you who have been made so damn afraid of this.

Context. Fauci uses it to mean we need people vaccinated; not let it run unabated and hope for the best

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

Context. Fauci uses it to mean we need people vaccinated; not let it run unabated and hope for the best

Exactly. This was pointed out to him before. Herd immunity isn't a dirty word. Letting this run wild as a means to get there though would not only be devastating, but would take years, if ever. Whether you have empathy for others or not, that's not a strategy to save lives and get the economy back.

[Valley Native]

We kept hearing how Arizona's COVID numbers are extremely high compared to the rest of the nation, but nobody has been able to pinpoint the exact reasons. Many have speculated that we're not using stricter mitigation efforts, but I disagree because there are other states that have barely done anything to slow the spread, and they don't have the high numbers that AZ has. Perhaps these numbers are misleading due to inaccurate test results ... in other words: false positives. The fact that our humidity is on the low side could also be a contributing factor because viruses spread faster when the air is dry.

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

We kept hearing how Arizona's COVID numbers are extremely high compared to the rest of the nation, but nobody has been able to pinpoint the exact reasons. Many have speculated that we're not using stricter mitigation efforts, but I disagree because there are other states that have barely done anything to slow the spread, and they don't have the high numbers that AZ has. Perhaps these numbers are misleading due to inaccurate test results ... in other words: false positives. The fact that our humidity is on the low side could also be a contributing factor because viruses spread faster when the air is dry.

Lack of mitigation enforcement, uneducated populace, high concentration of multigenerational housing, tourist destination. It’s a perfect storm.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Lack of mitigation enforcement, uneducated populace, high concentration of multigenerational housing, tourist destination. It’s a perfect storm.

Other places fit this exact description, but they weren't COVID hot spots like we have been. Florida meets a lot of these characteristics, and they have been on the high side, but Arizona ranks quite a bit higher when counting the number of cases per 100,000. Parts of California (particularly the southern areas) also have a high number of cases despite their stricter mitigation. I'm nearly certain the dryness has something to do with it.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020...aps-and-cases/

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...tatracker-home

[FlurryCat]

Florida's numbers may not be completely reliable.

[teddyearp]

Originally Posted by FlurryCat

Florida's numbers may not be completely reliable.

That could be and has been said about all the numbers.

[Justabystander]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

Here's the deal when you use the raw number instead of a percentage. As of today, there have been 15,480 deaths in Arizona. If we have just one more death, making it 15,481, that's a new 'record' when reported the way this thread was. Get it?


We're going on and on about something that has killed .2% of the population, only 1.9% of those who have been infected, and has only infected 11% of our population.


Link: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


Most folks followed all the 'rules' all summer and into the fall. Did that stop the spike? No. Even Fauci was using the term 'herd immunity' the other day.


I feel sorry for those of you who have been made so damn afraid of this.

500,000 have died from this, and no one should be cautious or afraid? It is like the entire city of Atlanta being wiped out. I feel sorry for all the foolish people who say "meh". Thank God you did not lose anyone in your family to this.

[teddyearp]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

Exactly. This was pointed out to him before. Herd immunity isn't a dirty word. Letting this run wild as a means to get there though would not only be devastating, but would take years, if ever.

I do not think I have ever used the term 'herd immunity' before, though I do know it has been tossed around a lot in these discussions, so how could this be pointed out to me before when this is the first time I have used the phrase. And why would you imply that I think it is a dirty word? I do see the fact that I misunderstood the context, so there is that. Herd immunity can be either letting it run its course, or getting enough folks 'vaccinated' to let it die out.


Every other 'pandemic' we have had we had no choice but to let it run wild, so to speak, and yet here we still are, more and more of us.


And please tell me, how devastating can it be when it is only infecting 11% of our population, with 1.9% of those infected dying, for an overall death rate of .2% of the total population?



Why are you continually promoting these draconian measures? It is NOT the disease that is ruining our economy, it is the so called 'experts' that are infusing folks with so much fear. Fear of a disease that is barley more deadly than the flu. Fear of a disease that has a mortality rate of .2%!

[DetroitN8V]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

I do not think I have ever used the term 'herd immunity' before, though I do know it has been tossed around a lot in these discussions, so how could this be pointed out to me before when this is the first time I have used the phrase. And why would you imply that I think it is a dirty word? I do see the fact that I misunderstood the context, so there is that. Herd immunity can be either letting it run its course, or getting enough folks 'vaccinated' to let it die out.


Every other 'pandemic' we have had we had no choice but to let it run wild, so to speak, and yet here we still are, more and more of us.


And please tell me, how devastating can it be when it is only infecting 11% of our population, with 1.9% of those infected dying, for an overall death rate of .2% of the total population?



Why are you continually promoting these draconian measures? It is NOT the disease that is ruining our economy, it is the so called 'experts' that are infusing folks with so much fear. Fear of a disease that is barley more deadly than the flu. Fear of a disease that has a mortality rate of .2%!

Math isn't hard. It's estimated that at minimum, 80% of the population need antibodies for herd immunity to stop this thing. If we let it run wild, without mitigation 262mm Americans would need to get the virus and using our current death rate, of those 4.46mm would die. So, sure let's kill over 4 million Americans and give a couple hundred million others unknown lasting conditions so people don't have to use masks, social distance, and get vaccinated. Also, as this is spreading unabated it is continuing to mutate, becoming more contagious and possibly more deadly. Given that, these should be conservative numbers at best.

It's easy to chalk this up as nothing but fear when you don't understand what the magnitude of not stopping this pandemic means. Once understanding the numbers, it's clear what is right and and what is wrong in determining the best path forward.