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View Poll Results: which are Filipinos?
Asian 91 69.47%
Hispanic/Latino 12 9.16%
Pacific Islanders/Polynesian 28 21.37%
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:37 AM
 
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14 Austronesian Tribes of Taiwan
- there clothes is similar with Ifugao, Kalinga, Benguet, Ibaloi, T'boli etc.


 
Old 12-22-2011, 03:11 AM
 
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Austronesian is different with Austro-Asiatic.

Here is the example of Austro-Asiatic people of Khmer they are mixed with negritos also.




Here is a Palong tribe of Thailand part of Mon-Khmer and they speak Austro-Asiatic Language which is different with the Austronesian.
Austronesian people are more on Islands and we have similar cultures.



They are Austro-Asiatic but you'll see similarity with clothes, but they have more mongoloid features, they have more closer culture to Tibet, Burma and Laos.

Here is one of their traditional dance video


But this dance is similar with the Austronesian though

They are Austro-Asiatic

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Old 12-22-2011, 03:39 PM
 
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Here's another tribe in the Philippines

The Dumagat Tribe of Sierra Madre




http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...g-indigenous-c

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Old 12-23-2011, 03:58 PM
 
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Learned more about Filipinos in general. Didn't know Filipinos are considered Hispanics in Spain with special status in obtaining Spanish citizenship (along with Mexico).

It seems to me that the Philippines is one of those unique countries that's very difficult to lump in any category. It has a predominant American/Spanish culture with mostly Malay stock dominated by Roman Catholic religion. It gets complicated given it's location between major trade routes for Arab, Indian, Chinese and the Americas thus the Filipino physical features get blurry.

Anyway, there's this other country that's much more complicated to lump in any or every category known in history. It's called the United States of America.

....anyway, I'd consider Filipinos born and raised in the Philippines as Asians because of it's geographic location in Asia. Asia is a historical boundary as defined by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia . So, if you happen to be born in America with parents originating from the Philippines, I'd consider you American of Asian descent...Not Hispanic, Polynesian nor Chinese, Japanese or any of the other countries within the boundaries of Asia (as defined historically).

In comparison, if you are of European Caucasian race born and raised in Africa, I'd consider you African.

We need to separate race with geography (Asia, Africa, North America, Middle Eastern etc...). Filipinos as a race is non-existent just as Americans as a race is non-existent or Africans as a race (doesn't exist). If we want to categorized people based on race, then we are pretty much getting in the domain of anthropology ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(c...tion_of_humans) .

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Old 12-24-2011, 07:46 AM
 
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As a side note with regards to the Spanish influence in the P.I. , Filipinos having a middle name or last name (surname) that's of Spanish origin doesn't necessarily trace a Spanish European genetic lineage. My understanding is that when the Spanish empire is on it's waning years, the Spaniards are in need of revenue. So the Spanish administrators in the P.I. (that's Philippine Islands) converted the names of Filipinos to Spanish surnames for tax collecting purposes. Before that conversion, I believe the Filipinos are identified from the location of their homes i.e. Michael from 'that village by the river' .

Other stronger Spanish influence in the P.I. are names of towns and the presence of Roman Catholic churches ( usually the biggest buildings in a town is a Roman Catholic church - huge churches close to cathedral size ).

Spanish as a language to the native Filipinos have been restricted to a few for fear of rebelling against the Spanish colonizers (as learned from south/central America) **. So I conclude that Filipinos are not Hispanics by definition of Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

The Philippines should probably be moved somewhere between Hawaii and the Americas. It's not Asian enough (it's big neighbors China/India didn't have significant influence) and not western enough (not too many western European Caucasian physical resemblance ) but with a based majority race of Austronesian (Malay) , Malay race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

Some of the Filipinos that I met have the physical features that are hard to pin down to a particular race ( hispanic white?, chinese ?, mexican?, indian?).

**Those few Filipinos that learned the language of Spain and in fact, traveled to Spain ended up being leaders of a rebellion against the Spanish colonizers in the late 1800's. The Filipino nationalist that pretty much cornered the Spanish colonizers into defeat where met by the Americans who claimed credit in ousting the Spaniards from Spain. The U.S. consequently paid about $20 million for the 'rights' to occupy the P.I. And the Filipino nationalist who thought that the Americans help liberate them from the Spaniards eventually realized the Americans as new colonizers. Thereafter, another bloody war ensued between the U.S. and Philippines ( 5-10 years ). My understanding is that about 2/3 rd's of the U.S. military where involved in this war. Somewhere around 200K to 5 million Filipinos and 5K-50K U.S. soldiers died as a result of this conflict. Consequently, one of the Generals that lead this 'pre-Iraq pre-Vietnam war invasion' is Arthur MacArthur, General Douglas MacArthur's dad. Former President and General Dwight Eisenhower was Gen. MacArthur's aide. Just some tidbits about history. Sorry for getting carried away

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Old 12-24-2011, 10:47 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by acatalanb View Post
As a side note with regards to the Spanish influence in the P.I. , Filipinos having a middle name or last name (surname) that's of Spanish origin doesn't necessarily trace a Spanish European genetic lineage. My understanding is that when the Spanish empire is on it's waning years, the Spaniards are in need of revenue. So the Spanish administrators in the P.I. (that's Philippine Islands) converted the names of Filipinos to Spanish surnames for tax collecting purposes. Before that conversion, I believe the Filipinos are identified from the location of their homes i.e. Michael from 'that village by the river' .

Other stronger Spanish influence in the P.I. are names of towns and the presence of Roman Catholic churches ( usually the biggest buildings in a town is a Roman Catholic church - huge churches close to cathedral size ).

Spanish as a language to the native Filipinos have been restricted to a few for fear of rebelling against the Spanish colonizers (as learned from south/central America) **. So I conclude that Filipinos are not Hispanics by definition of Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

The Philippines should probably be moved somewhere between Hawaii and the Americas. It's not Asian enough (it's big neighbors China/India didn't have significant influence) and not western enough (not too many western European Caucasian physical resemblance ) but with a based majority race of Austronesian (Malay) , Malay race - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

Some of the Filipinos that I met have the physical features that are hard to pin down to a particular race ( hispanic white?, chinese ?, mexican?, indian?).

**Those few Filipinos that learned the language of Spain and in fact, traveled to Spain ended up being leaders of a rebellion against the Spanish colonizers in the late 1800's. The Filipino nationalist that pretty much cornered the Spanish colonizers into defeat where met by the Americans who claimed credit in ousting the Spaniards from Spain. The U.S. consequently paid about $20 million for the 'rights' to occupy the P.I. And the Filipino nationalist who thought that the Americans help liberate them from the Spaniards eventually realized the Americans as new colonizers. Thereafter, another bloody war ensued between the U.S. and Philippines ( 5-10 years ). My understanding is that about 2/3 rd's of the U.S. military where involved in this war. Somewhere around 200K to 5 million Filipinos and 5K-50K U.S. soldiers died as a result of this conflict. Consequently, one of the Generals that lead this 'pre-Iraq pre-Vietnam war invasion' is Arthur MacArthur, General Douglas MacArthur's dad. Former President and General Dwight Eisenhower was Gen. MacArthur's aide. Just some tidbits about history. Sorry for getting carried away
Austronesian people is a mixed of Malay (Mongoloid or Asian) & Austroloid (Negritos), Austro-Asiatic mixed from Austronesian then they probably mix with the Austroloid (Negritos) of Taiwan till it came from the Philippines. We have a lot of Austroloid looking fellow countrymen. Like those I posted.

I haven't heard yet about Austroloid people living in Mainland Asia. Most of the Asian from South East Asia or the borders of Mainland Asia (China, Japan, Korea, Mongolia etc) is kind of mix people with Austroloid mixed that came out brown-skinned or sometimes they look like semi-mongoloid with austroloid look or sometimes look more mongoloid.

Check the tribe people of India for example the "Jarawa Tribe" & I don't know if you already heard about this tribe.
some says that these people migrated from Africa going to Andaman Island and probably mixed with the Austroloid looking Indians in India (South Asia)


These are the Indian kids of India for example that looks austroloid looking

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Old 12-24-2011, 11:06 PM
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by acatalanb View Post
Learned more about Filipinos in general. Didn't know Filipinos are considered Hispanics in Spain with special status in obtaining Spanish citizenship (along with Mexico).

It seems to me that the Philippines is one of those unique countries that's very difficult to lump in any category. It has a predominant American/Spanish culture with mostly Malay stock dominated by Roman Catholic religion. It gets complicated given it's location between major trade routes for Arab, Indian, Chinese and the Americas thus the Filipino physical features get blurry.

Anyway, there's this other country that's much more complicated to lump in any or every category known in history. It's called the United States of America.

....anyway, I'd consider Filipinos born and raised in the Philippines as Asians because of it's geographic location in Asia. Asia is a historical boundary as defined by Asia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . So, if you happen to be born in America with parents originating from the Philippines, I'd consider you American of Asian descent...Not Hispanic, Polynesian nor Chinese, Japanese or any of the other countries within the boundaries of Asia (as defined historically).

In comparison, if you are of European Caucasian race born and raised in Africa, I'd consider you African.

We need to separate race with geography (Asia, Africa, North America, Middle Eastern etc...). Filipinos as a race is non-existent just as Americans as a race is non-existent or Africans as a race (doesn't exist). If we want to categorized people based on race, then we are pretty much getting in the domain of anthropology ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(c...tion_of_humans) .
Spain considered Philippines as Hispanic. I guess it's like you adopted a child and considered it as your legal child. I guess that's what happened to Philippines case with the other Hispanic country although the mixing isn't that huge as other Latin American which was colonized by Spain.

Spain named the country on behalf of Spanish King Philip II that's how they got the "Philippines" name. They do influence a lot of Lowland Filipinos in Luzon, Visayas and some part of Mindanao by changing their surnames to Hispanic Surnames, Change the way of their life like the clothing, food, traditions. Some intermarried with them but only few.

Philippines also have Racial Caste System like in Latin American during the Spanish Colonial Era.

The history of racial mixture in Filipinas (the Philippines) occurred mostly during the Spanish colonial era from the 16th to 19th century.

The same Spanish racial caste system enforced in Latin America existed in the Philippines, with a few differences.

The indigenous Malay population of the Philippines were referred to as Indios

Term - Definition

Indio- persons of pure Filipino ancestry
Negrito- persons of pure Aeta ancestry
Sangley- person of pure Chinese ancestry
Mestizo de Sangley- person of mixed Chinese and Malay ancestry; also called chino and/or chino-mestizo
Mestizo de Bombay- person of mixed Indian and Malay ancestry
Mestizo de Espanol- person of mixed Spanish and Malay ancestry
Tornatrás- person of mixed Spanish, Malay, and Chinese ancestry
Filipinos- persons of pure Spanish descent born in the Philippines ("from Las Filipinas"); also called Insulares ("from the islands") or Criollos (Creoles)
Americanos- persons of pure Spanish descent born in Spanish America ("from the Americas")
Peninsulares- persons of pure Spanish descent born in Spain ("from the peninsula")

Persons classified as 'blancos' (whites) were the filipinos (persons born in the Philippines of pure Spanish descent), peninsulares (persons born in Spain of pure Spanish descent), Español mestizos (persons born in the Philippines of mixed Malay and Spanish ancestry), and tornatrás (persons born in the Philippines of mixed Malay, Chinese, and Spanish ancestry). Manila was racially segregated, with blancos living in the walled city Intramuros, un-Christianized sangleys in Parían, Christianized sangleys and mestizos de sangley in Binondo, and the rest of the 7,000 islands for the indios, with the exception of Cebu and several other Spanish posts. Only mestizos de sangley were allowed to enter Intramuros to work for whites (including mestizos de espanol) as servants and various occupations needed for the colony.

Indio was a general term applied to native Malays, but as a legal classification, it was only applied to Christianized Malays who lived in proximity to the Spanish colonies.

Persons who lived outside of Manila, Cebu, and the major Spanish posts were classified as such: 'Naturales' were Christianized Malays of the lowland and coastal towns. The un-Christianized Aetas and Malays who lived in the towns were classified as 'salvajes' (savages) or 'infieles' (the unfaithful). 'Remontados' (Spanish for 'situated in the mountains') and 'tulisanes' (bandits) were Malays and Aetas who refused to live in towns and took to the hills, all of whom were considered to live outside the social order as Catholicism was a driving force in everyday life, as well as determining social class in the colony.

Persons of pure Spanish descent living in the Philippines who were born in Spanish America were classfied as 'americanos'. Mestizos and mulatos born in Spanish America living in the Philippines kept their legal classification as such, and usually came as indentured servants to the 'americanos'. The Philippine-born children of 'americanos' were classified as 'filipinos'. The Philippine-born children of mestizos and mulatos from Spanish America were classified based on patrilineal descent.

The Spanish legally classified the Aetas as 'negritos' based on their appearance. The word 'negrito' would be misinterpreted and used by future European scholars as an ethnoracial term in and of itself. Both Christianized Aetas who lived in the colony and un-Christianized Aetas who lived in tribes outside of the colony were classified as 'negritos'. Christianized Aetas who lived in Manila were not allowed to enter Intramuros and lived in areas designated for Indios.

Persons of mixed Aeta and Malay ancestry were classified based on patrilineal descent; the father's ancestry determined a child's legal classification. If the father was 'negrito' (Aeta) and the mother was 'india' (Malay), the child was classified as 'negrito'. If the father was 'indio' and the mother was 'negrita', the child was classified as 'indio'. Persons of Aeta descent were viewed as being outside of the social order as they usually lived in tribes outside of the colony and resisted conversion to Christianity.

This legal system of racial classification based on patrilineal descent had no parallel anywhere in the Spanish-ruled colonies in the Americas. In general, a son born of a sangley male and an indio or mestizo de sangley female was classified as mestizo de sangley; all subsequent male descendants were mestizos de sangley regardless of whether they married an india or a mestiza de sangley. A daughter born in such a manner, however, acquired the legal classification of her husband, i.e., she became an india if she married an indio but remained a mestiza de sangley if she married a mestizo de sangley or a sangley. In this way, a chino mestizo male descendant of a paternal sangley ancestor never lost his legal status as a mestizo de sangley no matter how little percentage of Chinese blood he had in his veins or how many generations had passed since his first Chinese ancestor; he was thus a mestizo de sangley in perpetuity.

However, a 'mestiza de sangley' who married a blanco ('filipino', 'mestizo de espanol', 'peninsular', or 'americano') kept her status as 'mestiza de sangley'. But her children were classified as tornatrás. An 'india' who married a blanco also kept her status as india, but her children were classified as mestizo de espanol.

A mestiza de espanol who married another blanco would keep her status as mestiza, but became an india if she married an indio (which would force her to pay the indio tax rate). But her status will never change from mestiza de espanol if she married a mestizo de espanol, filipino, or peninsular.

On the contrast, a mestizo (de sangley or espanol) man's status stayed the same regardless of who he married. If a mestizo (de sangley or espanol) married a filipina (woman of pure Spanish descent), she would lose her status as a 'filipina' and would acquire the legal status of her husband and become a mestiza de espanol or sangley. If a 'filipina' married an 'indio', her legal status would change to 'india', despite being of pure Spanish descent.

The social stratification system based on class that continues to this day in the Philippines has it's beginnings in the Spanish colonial area with this caste system.

The system was used for tax purposes. Indios paid a base tax, mestizos de sangley paid twice the base tax, sangleys paid four times the base tax, and the blancos or whites (comprised of filipinos, peninsulares, mestizos de espanol, and tornatrás) paid no tax. Negritos who lived within the colony paid the same tax rate as the indios.

The Spanish caste system based on race was abolished after the Philippines' independence from Spain in 1898, and the word 'Filipino' expanded to include the entire population of the Philippines regardless of racial ancestry.

~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_mestizo

Malay and Austronesian is same group of people.

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Old 12-27-2011, 12:05 AM
 
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ANAK (CHILD) - Freddie Aguilar
with Spanish and Tagalog Version



Las Islas Filipinas


Filipino Movie during 1939


Spanish Language in the Philippines

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Old 12-27-2011, 12:54 AM
 
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Chavacano Dialect mostly spoken in Cavite and Zamboanga








Mestizo de Sangley, Mestizo de Espanol, Indio, Tornatras

Intramuros Manila


A lot of Buildings was destroyed during World War II : Japanese-American and American-Spanish War 1898

Slideshows from 1898-1930 photos

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Old 12-27-2011, 02:45 AM
 
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Philippine Cultural Dance



Mazurka Boholana Dance


Imunan Dance


Andaluz de Negros Dance

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