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as a mexican who just spent one month in the PI(because i like asian women not hispanic), im really rolling my eyes at any of you who are calling filipinos hispanic/latino. they dont speak spanish. sure they know a few words, but so what so everyone does.
As a Filipino, I'd say Asian first and foremost! Then with Hispanic/Western and Pacific influences sprinkled on top of it!
theres no Pacific influence, it's the other way around. Polynesians & Micronesians came from the Philippines. 50% of their language, culture, and bloodline is from the Philippines, the other half is from Papua/Melanesia.
Not in the Manila I grew up in. In what instances did u hear spanish numbers?
I was born in the Philippines (Metro Manila specifically) and people tell the time and count currency using the Spanish words ALL THE TIME.
Most of the time you'll hear someone say isang daang piso (100 Pesos), but for smaller amounts you almost always hear treinta pesos (30 pesos) cincuenta pesos (50 pesos) etc.
You'll hear them say "decada setenta/ochenta" when referring to the 70s or 80s. And in telling time, it's rare to hear someone use the full tagalog equivalent. You will almost always hear "a las ocho y media", "a las doce" etc.
If you want to talk RACE or ETHNICITY, then those individuals in the United States who identify themselves as Pacific Islanders are correct. The average Filipino IS Austronesian, which is exactly what Pacific Islanders (Melanesians, Micronesians, Polynesians) ARE. Yes, the SAME as your stock Hawaiian person. The reason this doesn't come into play with census data is because of classification purposes. "Asian" is a geographic term. The Philippines is "Asian" because it falls under the geographic boundaries of "Asia" on a map.
As far as culture is concerned, the Philippines has indeed adopted influences from numerous sources. But the dominant influences have come from Spanish tradition. The name of their country, their early architecture, the Spanish language (historical documents, land titles, our greatest literary pieces, the language of our national heroes, the original language of our Philippine anthem), thousands of Spanish loanwords in the different Filipino languages, our surnames, religion, religious values, and yes, food, A LOT of it. It's funny how some foreigners with an outsider's perspective will lecture you about how Adobo is the only Spanish-influenced dish while Pancit and "Lumpia" are Chinese-influenced and that supposedly makes us definitively 'Asian'. LOL. Ever heard of Caldereta, Longanisa, Menudo, Afritada, Asado, Arroz Caldo, Albondigas, Chorizo, Tocino, Relleno, Leche Flan, Maja Blanca, Ensemada, Empanada, Canonigo, Dulce de Leche, Pastillas, Pan de Sal, Escabeche? And the list goes on and on.
I personally don't consider Filipinos "Hispanic" because they no longer speak Spanish and I consider that the biggest criteria. I just find it hard to group them along with the 21 countries in the world that do. But by definition, "Hispanic" is a CULTURAL not a RACIAL term, so it's a close call IMO. The influences from Spain or Mexico (when it was called the Vice Royalty of New Spain) are IMMENSE. More so than any other country whether the US or anywhere else in Asia. Historically and culturally, Filipinos share more with Latinos than ANY other group in the world. The language barrier is what creates the gap. Without this gap, the Philippines today might be identical to any Latino nation (minus their racial background).
You're right, "Hispanic" is not a race but a culture.
When the American invaded the Phyllipines they did their best to erradicate Spanish, but there are many families that are Filipinos and Spanish.
I can see where the confusion comes in, but I really liked reading your informed reply.
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"More so than any other country whether the US or anywhere else in Asia. Historically and culturally, Filipinos share more with Latinos than ANY other group in the world."
What makes a people is culture.
"Asian" is Buddhist, Taoist, Hindu, Zen, and Confusion... NOT Catholic.
East and West are VERY different cultures.
Again, a Black Moor is considered a very, very different ethnicity than a sub-Sharan African ... or a Muslim.
It's all about the values derived from religion, diet, and the ethno origins a population derived from.
Why is it problematic that the beautiful people of the Philippines are Pacific Islanders?
MORE ... there is a huge African (as in Fiji, New Guinea, Tonga... et al) ancestry. That tribe of Malaysians and the Aboriginal Tawanese that were early settlers of the Philippines were "Negroid" ... as in African. (Just like the Melanesians, Micronesians, Polynesians.)
So, I guess it's a matter of self-esteem that makes some people want to consider themselves "Chinese" rather than love who they are.
Here... here is a link that should set it all to rest.
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"The Negrito are a class of several ethnic groups that inhabit isolated parts of Southeast Asia. Their current populations include 12 Andamanese peoples of the Andaman Islands, six Semang peoples of Malaysia, the Mani of Thailand, and the Aeta, Agta, Ati, and 30 other peoples of the Philippines."
MORE ... there is a huge African (as in Fiji, New Guinea, Tonga... et al) ancestry. That tribe of Malaysians and the Aboriginal Tawanese that were early settlers of the Philippines were "Negroid" ... as in African. (Just like the Melanesians, Micronesians, Polynesians.)
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Negritos are not Africans, they are Melanesians.
Cleopatra was not African either.
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Very good jbermud2
