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It's funny how Christianity originated in Asia yet it's the least Christian continent. Every other continent is dominated by Christianity (even if it's mostly cultural in Europe), although in Africa it's almost 50/50 with Islam.
It seems like Indonesia the idea of the nation of the Philippines was recent and largely a colonial creation.
What would you attribute to growth to more evangelical, especially Pentacostal Christianity too? It seems something that is happening through Latin America and Africa too.
Even Malaysia, India, Sri Lanka and Singapore are colonial creation haha, in Southeast Asia maybe only Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Brunei and Burma aren't as colonial as the others. Thailand and Brunei didn't get colonized, but obviously are heavily influenced by the west like China then and lost loads of their territory to European countries, while the others are historical united kingdoms. Indonesia, Philippines and Malaysia are formed by separate kingdoms before colonialism.
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It's funny how Christianity originated in Asia yet it's the least Christian continent. Every other continent is dominated by Christianity (even if it's mostly cultural in Europe), although in Africa it's almost 50/50 with Islam.
Because through Europeans that Christianity actually spread throughout the world, so culturally it would be more affliable to western countries, similar with Islam and Middle Eastern culture.
It seems like Indonesia the idea of the nation of the Philippines was recent and largely a colonial creation.
What would you attribute to growth to more evangelical, especially Pentacostal Christianity too? It seems something that is happening through Latin America and Africa too.
We are separate group of people and we're not a united as a country, so technically Spain did contributed on that matter. Germany was actually waiting to invade the Philippines during the Spanish-American war. They tried to attempt to invade the Philippines, well this was the other reason of Americans why they took over. Even if Spain didn't arrived I think other countries will still take over but we don't have a country name Philippines/Filipinas or Pilipinas on the map.
The Battle of Manila Bay took place on 1 May 1898, following the outbreak of the Spanish-American War. The German Emperor expected an American defeat, with Spain left in a sufficiently weak position for the revolutionaries to capture Manila—leaving the Philippines ripe for German picking. Following the American victory in the war, the Philippines and the Far East were brought to the attention of the world and Germany recognized the great potentialities of the islands as a major commercial market.
On 12 June, the day the Philippines declared its independence from Spain, Vice-Admiral Otto von Diederichs arrived in Manila Bay. The number of German war vessels in Philippine waters increased to three. Earlier, on 6 and 9 May, respectively, the German ships "Irene" and the "Cormoran" arrived in the bay with a separate instruction from the German government, mainly to protect German nationals in Manila. German’s interest in the Philippines was cut short with the signing of the Treaty of Paris on 10 December 1898. The Philippines was finally annexed by the United States in 1899.
Even Malaysia, India, Sri Lanka and Singapore are colonial creation haha, in Southeast Asia maybe only Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Brunei and Burma aren't as colonial as the others. Thailand and Brunei didn't get colonized, but obviously are heavily influenced by the west like China then and lost loads of their territory to European countries, while the others are historical united kingdoms. Indonesia, Philippines and Malaysia are formed by separate kingdoms before colonialism.
Because through Europeans that Christianity actually spread throughout the world, so culturally it would be more affliable to western countries, similar with Islam and Middle Eastern culture.
Well there was a Malay kingdom/sultanates a strong Malay identity prior to British Malaya, and of course India was sort of an entity. Ceylon definitely was a proud and independent kingdom prior to British settlement, and has always been separate from India. Vietnam and Cambodia were a part of French Indochina, Cochinchina/Annam, but of course both the Vietnamese and Khmer kingdoms have long histories. Burma/Myanmar was strongly colonial, part of British East India, with the old Burmese kingdom based on Bagan and Mandalay I think.
Yes, although Christianity had actually spread quite a bit prior to it's adoption by the Roman Empire and shortly after. It was already present in Armenia, and much of the Levant, North Africa and even as far east as India by the 4th century AD. Prior to Islam it was the main religion over much of what is now the Arabic-speaking world.
We are separate group of people and we're not a united as a country, so technically Spain did contributed on that matter. Germany was actually waiting to invade the Philippines during the Spanish-American war. They tried to attempt to invade the Philippines, well this was the other reason of Americans why they took over. Even if Spain didn't arrived I think other countries will still take over but we don't have a country name Philippines/Filipinas or Pilipinas on the map.
Yes, Indonesia and Philippines are multi-ethnic, multi-linguistic nations, both have hundreds of languages, tribes.etc, and there was never a Philippine or Indonesian kingdom that was equivalent to the modern nations. I feel they were fast to adopt some western ideas because when colonised they lived a more tribal lifestyle, not having the more advanced civilisation of some other Asians.
Well there was a Malay kingdom/sultanates a strong Malay identity prior to British Malaya, and of course India was sort of an entity. Ceylon definitely was a proud and independent kingdom prior to British settlement, and has always been separate from India. Vietnam and Cambodia were a part of French Indochina, Cochinchina/Annam, but of course both the Vietnamese and Khmer kingdoms have long histories. Burma/Myanmar was strongly colonial, part of British East India, with the old Burmese kingdom based on Bagan and Mandalay I think.
Yes, although Christianity had actually spread quite a bit prior to it's adoption by the Roman Empire and shortly after. It was already present in Armenia, and much of the Levant, North Africa and even as far east as India by the 4th century AD. Prior to Islam it was the main religion over much of what is now the Arabic-speaking world.
Indonesia also were once unified under one banner by the Majapahit empire, though most of its controlled states are its vassal and tributaries (98 of them) with its own king whos status are made inferior to the main king in Java and only concentrate most of their influence in Java, Madura and Bali. Its also one of the main reason why its influence quickly vanquished after a civil war broke out in Java. Malaysia have Malay Sultanate however they only dominate Malaya (and some of the states are vassals too, also explained why the fall of Malacca quickly divides the sultanate), not East Malaysia, it would be part of Brunei if it weren't for the British, Malacca itself wasn't a major nation you can call equivalent to modern nation or to an extend Srivijaya, Khmers or Tay Son Empire in neighboring Southeast Asia, it was mostly vassal of Yuan dynasty China and there isn't much left of them except a modern-built replica of a palace in Malacca.
I would also say Vietnam is for most of its history a separate states, but evetually did get a chance of becoming a mjor power since its mostly untouched by European scramble until late 19th century.
The reason why Christianity lose its foothold in its own motherland is because Islam was founded near to it, it was also a quickly rising major power that extended its influence from North Africa to Central Asia that the weakening Roman Empire have no chance of winning againts, Islam even gained foothold in Spain and ruled it for hundreds of years. There are few remnants of historical Christians who lives there scattered throughout middle east.
Yes, Indonesia and Philippines are multi-ethnic, multi-linguistic nations, both have hundreds of languages, tribes.etc, and there was never a Philippine or Indonesian kingdom that was equivalent to the modern nations. I feel they were fast to adopt some western ideas because when colonised they lived a more tribal lifestyle, not having the more advanced civilisation of some other Asians.
Well not Indonesia, because it was actually quiet advanced during the Sailendra Srivijayan golden age when Srivijaya Empire shifted its power to Java by marrying a Javanese princess, the once maritime based empire actually boost its status by building great temples and palaces, it is a bit strange that the fact that Srivijaya left much more of its great achievement in Java rather than its historical founding land Sumatra where it almost have nothing left, it was a rich empire until other states in the separate islands become more dominant and quickly lose its influence. After kicked out of Java, the Srivijayan were trampled by Chola of India, before finally being completely wiped by the Javanese Singosari kingdom. Then after few kingdoms struggles in Java rose the Majapahit empire whos empire extended to most part of the country that are known to be Indonesia, though they're much more influential regionally, they don't left as much great historical landmark as the Java based Sailendra Srivijaya.
Indonesia also were once unified under one banner by the Majapahit empire, though most of its controlled states are its vassal and tributaries (98 of them) with its own king whos status are made inferior to the main king in Java and only concentrate most of their influence in Java, Madura and Bali. Its also one of the main reason why its influence quickly vanquished after a civil war broke out in Java. Malaysia have Malay Sultanate however they only dominate Malaya (and some of the states are vassals too, also explained why the fall of Malacca quickly divides the sultanate), not East Malaysia, it would be part of Brunei if it weren't for the British, Malacca itself wasn't a major nation you can call equivalent to modern nation or to an extend Srivijaya, Khmers or Tay Son Empire in neighboring Southeast Asia, it was mostly vassal of Yuan dynasty China and there isn't much left of them except a modern-built replica of a palace in Malacca.
I would also say Vietnam is for most of its history a separate states.
The reason why Christianity lose its foothold in its own motherland is because Islam was founded near to it, it was also a quickly rising major power that extended its influence from North Africa to Central Asia that the weakening Roman Empire have no chance of winning againts, Islam even gained foothold in Spain and ruled it for hundreds of years. There are few remnants of historical Christians who lives there scattered throughout middle east.
Yes but it wasn't really a unified nation/entity. Yes of course Malaya was the peninsula and part of Sumatra, East Malaysia was never part of the British colony of Malaya but were separate protectorates under te British.
Well the Western Roman Empire had collapsed by the time Muhammad raged across Arabia, but the Byzantine Empire still existed. Thus began the conflicts between the most Christianised and Islamicised powers. The taking of Constantinople (Istanbul) by the Ottomans was significant.
Well not Indonesia, because it was actually quiet advanced during the Sailendra Srivijayan golden age when Srivijaya Empire shifted its power to Java by marrying a Javanese princess, the once maritime based empire actually boost its status by building great temples and palaces, it is a bit strange that the fact that Srivijaya left much more of its great achievement in Java rather than its historical founding land Sumatra where it almost have nothing left, it was a rich empire until other states in the separate islands become more dominant and quickly lose its influence. After kicked out of Java, the Srivijayan were trampled by Chola of India, before finally being completely wiped by the Javanese Singosari kingdom. Then after few kingdoms struggles in Java rose the Majapahit empire whos empire extended to most part of the country that are known to be Indonesia, though they're much more influential regionally, they don't left as much great historical landmark as the Java based Sailendra Srivijaya.
True, mostly in Java and Sumatra, where the Buddhist Srivijayan kingdom ruled. It seems Borneo was always wilder and less settled.
Yes but it wasn't really a unified nation/entity. Yes of course Malaya was the peninsula and part of Sumatra, East Malaysia was never part of the British colony of Malaya but were separate protectorates under te British.
Well the Western Roman Empire had collapsed by the time Muhammad raged across Arabia, but the Byzantine Empire still existed. Thus began the conflicts between the most Christianised and Islamicised powers. The taking of Constantinople (Istanbul) by the Ottomans was significant.
Byzantine empire are Roman Empire, they (the Greek) always consider themself Romani or Romans despite speaking Greek language. The term Byzantine didn't historically exist, i think it was invented to refer the medieval Greek based Roman Empire as to not mistaken them with the ancient ones.
Yes Eastern Roman Empire was doomed when the Seljuk conquer Anatolia or Asia Minor, but were even more doomed when the crusaders sacked the Constantinople which actually weakened them even further, it was said that if it weren't for the crusade's greed the empire might just have survived. As Islam gains a foothold in Eastern Europe, at the same time lose Spain to the Catholics.
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