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Old 02-10-2022, 03:37 PM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Your entire post is based on accusations. There is nothing shady about the BRI. There are no Uyghur camps.
CCP is bribing corrupt politicians in Africa and Asia to make under the table deals indebting their own nations to build infrastructure purpose-built for Chinese companies to use to strip resources from these nations. How is that not shady? And when it comes to the “re-education camps”, even the CCP officials in office wouldn’t deny the existence of the camps. The only thing they would argue about is their purpose. If you want to completely disregard proven facts there’s no point in even conversing with you. I am not anti-China but I am against human rights abuses and predatory neo-colonialism going on, whether it be China or the United States as the perpetrators.
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Old 02-10-2022, 03:46 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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CCP is bribing corrupt politicians in Africa and Asia to make under the table deals indebting their own nations to build infrastructure purpose-built for Chinese companies to use to strip resources from these nations. How is that not shady? And when it comes to the “re-education camps”, even the CCP officials in office wouldn’t deny the existence of the camps. The only thing they would argue about is their purpose. If you want to completely disregard proven facts there’s no point in even conversing with you. I am not anti-China but I am against human rights abuses and predatory neo-colonialism going on, whether it be China or the United States as the perpetrators.
Those debt trap accusations have been debunked repeatedly:
The prototypical example is Sri Lanka for instance:
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...lomacy/617953/

They do have vocational schools where people can learn a profession in addition to Mandarin, law, politics etc. There is nothing wrong with that, they are proud of those institutions as they have worked well and helped reintegrate troublemakers into society.
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Old 02-10-2022, 09:46 PM
 
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It would crumble because that is the purpose of it, it is economic warfare. Only EU membership could safe it. Without it, every neighboring country would cease to supply stuff to Germany because that is also part of the ucm's, threatening anyone that ignores the ucm's.
Only countries like Russia and Brazil could withstand because of their size and resources.
Venezuela trades with a lot of nations, you re making up nonsense.

Also, what prevents Germans in your example to just cross the border and buy things from stores?

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Madrid can not dictate policy to Catalonia, either. Catalonia is pretty autonomous, except for a few aspects such as defense. If Catalonia violated such aspects, Madrid could intervene militarily, if it wanted to.
Or Spain could just pass a law and let the local police deal with it.

Only China need to invade to dictate policy.
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Old 02-11-2022, 11:53 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Venezuela trades with a lot of nations, you re making up nonsense.

Also, what prevents Germans in your example to just cross the border and buy things from stores?



Or Spain could just pass a law and let the local police deal with it.

Only China need to invade to dictate policy.

Gee, stop being so ignorant. Just read up what the UN experts says about those ucm's. They know way more about them than you do.
And no, Venezuela can not just buy things from neighbors because it is kind of encircled by Colombia and Brazil, both of which were participating in the failed coup attempt a few years ago. There are no open borders where you can go shopping on the other side just like that.

And if Germany's neighbors were threatened, they would isolate Germany as well because at the end of the day countries are egoists, just like humans. Only the EU prevents such a scenario.


National security, defense etc. is not something for the local police to take care of. It is a national affair, not stealing a candy bar.
Madrid would also send troops and invade Catalonia if Catalonia were to declare independence. I think they even did so just a few years ago, or at least threatened to do so.
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Old 02-11-2022, 12:16 PM
 
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A democratic china would be more threat to the US than the current China.
thanks for pointing this out.

if china is democratic, any candidate that campaigns for military action to reunite taiwan will pretty much win in a landslide.
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Old 02-11-2022, 12:18 PM
 
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CCP is bribing corrupt politicians in Africa and Asia to make under the table deals indebting their own nations to build infrastructure purpose-built for Chinese companies to use to strip resources from these nations. How is that not shady? And when it comes to the “re-education camps”, even the CCP officials in office wouldn’t deny the existence of the camps. The only thing they would argue about is their purpose. If you want to completely disregard proven facts there’s no point in even conversing with you. I am not anti-China but I am against human rights abuses and predatory neo-colonialism going on, whether it be China or the United States as the perpetrators.
how about canada? how are you treating the protestors in your capital and all the "genocide" committed against native american children?
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Old 02-11-2022, 04:05 PM
 
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And no, Venezuela can not just buy things from neighbors because it is kind of encircled by Colombia and Brazil, both of which were participating in the failed coup attempt a few years ago. There are no open borders where you can go shopping on the other side just like that.
Totally wrong. Venezuela trades with many nations across the world, it bought $1.4 billion from China, $1.2 billion from the USA, and $617 million from Brazil and Colombia. The idea that the USA confiscate everything heading for Venezuela is completely false. The largest item bought by Venezuela is refined petroleum coming from Spain, the USA, the Netherlands, and India.

And the borders are definitely not closed, there is no visa requirement to either Colombia or Brazil and Colombia even let Venezuelans use expired passports because the lousy Venezuelan government refuses to hand out passports. It's the other way around, Venezuela tries to trap its citizens inside the country.

https://www.ey.com/en_gl/tax-alerts/...ry%2Fdeparture.



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National security, defense etc. is not something for the local police to take care of.
Oh really? Is the PLA enforcing the National Security Law in Hong Kong? Did you even think before you wrote that nonsense?

The fact is that Spain does not need to invade dictate policy in Catalonia, it can just pass a law and let local police handle it. It has done this multiple times. The PRC cannot do this, it has to invade Taiwan to dictate policies.

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Old 02-11-2022, 07:24 PM
 
Location: HONOLULU
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Born into a rich family in China, then you will fare well. The opposite is so. The country is too huge to run it on democracy. So they don't have capitalism as the forefront. Ownership is done through education. Those who have it are rich. That's China. In America, those who work the hardest comes out on top. Capitalism.
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Old 02-11-2022, 07:58 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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how about canada? how are you treating the protestors in your capital and all the "genocide" committed against native american children?
I’m against Canadian human rights abuses too. And you shouldn’t put genocide in quotations , the residential school system was a form of cultural genocide. And it’s being emulated today in the Uyghur camps

Whataboutism is the classic move of the PRC shills but it’s not a real excuse

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Old 02-11-2022, 09:00 PM
 
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I’m against Canadian human rights abuses too. And you shouldn’t put genocide in quotations , the residential school system was a form of cultural genocide. And it’s being emulated today in the Uyghur camps

Whataboutism is the classic move of the PRC shills but it’s not a real excuse
May we have a moment of silence for the word Geocide? You have now ascended to the loaded term pantheon along with "Human Rights Abuses'" and "Terrorism." Basically, terms that only Western nations get to define and levy on their adversaries to garner public support. The world literally comes from the Greek Geno (people) and Latin Cide, meaning to kill. How did such a serious act become used so loosely merely to score political points? "Cultural genocide", translation, you’re not committing an actual genocide so I need to come up with an ambiguous term that invokes the same negative reaction and can never be proved or disapproved. Perfect we will call in cultural genocide.
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