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Maoism was left wing. Post-Deng China is essentially a modern spin on the corporatism of the fascist era. A one party “democratic” state with hand picked candidates. Controlled opposition puppet parties and hand picked puppet politicians. That is not a democracy
You people are being silly. The Western system sucks as well, so why would the Chinese replace a more or less functioning system with an inferior one?!
The Chinese are overwhelmingly happy with their system, which is also democratic by the way, just not the Western type of democracy. I think it is a bit fascist of the West to even try and force its crappy system on others. There is no natural law that says the whole world has to be like the West. Gee, what a horrible idea that is. As I said, a bit fascist.
Your whole view of China is so far off. You write about something you have no clue of.
I stumbled upon this video recently, from a New Zealander explaining the Chinese type of democracy at a basic level so that even brainwashed Westerners can understand...
I stumbled upon this video recently, from a New Zealander explaining the Chinese type of democracy at a basic level so that even brainwashed Westerners can understand...
You have posted this video multiple times before and I explained why it is wrong.
Paying a New Zealander to read a CCP script is not convincing, if you have some decent arguments, say it yourself.
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Those definitions do apply to the Chinese type of democracy. They do have elections and polls as well, it is a representative system. Voting age is 18. It is explained in the video.
Most people in China have no idea how to even vote, let alone who the candidates are, that is a fact.
The ones who had the opportunity to vote told me that they had some students come to their dorm and ask them to vote. They had no idea who the candidates were, had no privacy and was told who to vote for.
Who said there was a connection? Look at Singapore -- highly capitalist, and no democracy at all. A democracy can elect a socialist administration, like Sweden, right?
While there certainly is a discrepancy between politics and economics, China is clearly more leftist than the US in every way (except LGBT, but that is certainly not decisive in this evaluation). So, if you already think China is fascist, the US is way more so.
- LGBTQ rights & representation
- minority rights & representation
- freedom of expression
- exposure of and to dissenting viewpoints
- freedom of literature and arts
- immigration rights
- freedom of the press and access to, and of, foreign media
- government propaganda and nationalist narratives in public schools
- access to public schools in the first place
... China fails miserably on all of the above but yeah kids, let's watch this CCPTVCGTV propaganda. It says the opposite of what the west says do it much be true!
While there certainly is a discrepancy between politics and economics, China is clearly more leftist than the US in every way (except LGBT, but that is certainly not decisive in this evaluation). So, if you already think China is fascist, the US is way more so.
A lot wrong here
1. Left and right is relative to where and when you live. Being right wing is quite different in the USA today and in Sweden in the 1970s. Facism is not defined by being right or left as there is no clear definition of right and left.
2. Facism is an ideology that promotes hypernationalism, military, supremacy and asking people and businesses to sacrifice for the nation. That sounds a lot more like China than the USA.
3. China is "right" in a lot more ways than LGBT. China has a regressive tax system, not free health care and a hukou system that prevents migrant workers from having rights in the cities they live.
While there certainly is a discrepancy between politics and economics, China is clearly more leftist than the US in every way (except LGBT, but that is certainly not decisive in this evaluation). So, if you already think China is fascist, the US is way more so.
You are confusing your politics as the western democracies define them. Leftist is not fascist, and the mere definition of both doesn't not translate well to political systems in other countries.
The Peoples Republic of China is officially a Marxist-Leninist socialist republic. The "republic" is not really accurate however because they have only one political party, and the few local representatives that the people are allowed to vote for are pre-selected by the party, and are simply rubber stamp type representatives. Unofficially, it's an authoritative state, bordering on totalitarianism - centrally controlled, lack of political plurality, and suppression of certain personal rights and freedoms.
Let me give you Politics 101 as it relates to China:
Left wing politics support social equality. That is of course the central principle of Marxist theory but modern China (as well as every country that has tried to implement a communist government) strived from that into there own version of communism which includes a stratified society with oppression to political and religious groups, social credit systems, and of course it's evolution into there version of capitalism which has dramatically increased the inequality of wealth distribution.
Fascism is associated with an authoritative (i.e. China) ultra-nationalistic (i.e. China) state with elements of political suppression (i.e. China), and a strong central government (i.e. China). However note that many elements of Fascism are hard to pin down and seem contradictory, and now calling anything "fascist" is simply meant as a meaningless glib insult without any relevance or understanding of what exactly fascism is. In particular, the Nazi regime was socialist in terms of it's economic system in regards to the central control of its industries. This still gives socialists the willys as they try to reject that that regime was socialist, but there you go, economically they most certainly were. I submit that the Fascist economic model is very similar to the one in place in China: Capitalist yes, but heavily controlled and managed by "the party" as a sort of silent or not-so-silent partner making the actual decisions.
In particular, the Nazi regime was socialist in terms of it's economic system in regards to the central control of its industries. This still gives socialists the willys as they try to reject that that regime was socialist, but there you go, economically they most certainly were.
Hence the propaganda campaign, I believe that started in the Soviet Union during WW2, to equate Fascists (who originated in Italy) with Nazis, even though fascism and national socialism are not the same ideologies. National socialism is a lot closer ideologically to international socialism (communism) than Soviets liked to admit. In particular, fascists and nazis are not even ideological allies, but happened to ally in the 1930s due to geopolitics (both fascists and nazis were excluded from the international community). In fact, early on fascists and national socialists didn't really like each other very much, up to the point even that Hitler armed Ethiopians in their fight against Mussolini when Italy invaded Africa.
1. Left and right is relative to where and when you live. Being right wing is quite different in the USA today and in Sweden in the 1970s. Facism is not defined by being right or left as there is no clear definition of right and left.
2. Facism is an ideology that promotes hypernationalism, military, supremacy and asking people and businesses to sacrifice for the nation. That sounds a lot more like China than the USA.
3. China is "right" in a lot more ways than LGBT. China has a regressive tax system, not free health care and a hukou system that prevents migrant workers from having rights in the cities they live.
Hyper nationalism - A tie between both countries. In the U.S. we just call it extreme patriotism. This is Amerikka!
Military - U.S. is a clear number one. The massive defense budget, military bases around the world, and endless wars proves this point. To China's credit their military doctrine is based upon defending itself from Western aggression. It is way more defensive than offensive in nature. Ours seems to be funding defense contractor budgets, getting target practice, and spreading American values/way of life (i.e., freedoms).
Supremacy - Not sure what you mean on this one, it seems like every nation believes they are superior.
Asking people and business to sacrifice for the nation - Only distinction in this category is people/U.S. businesses are unwilling due to rugged individualism, and the Chinese are willing, though it can be argued they aren't given a choice in many matters. Remember JFK "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
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