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Old 02-22-2022, 10:42 AM
 
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I only listen to people who explain their opinions. If a newspaper just wrote the conclusion like you do and told the readers to read their sources, then I would not take info from them.

People who refuse to explain their opinions are not worth listening to. That is especially the case if they have other despicable opinions such as women have a duty to get kids and there are something wrong with homosexuals brains. Those opinions are not despicable because I don't share them, they are despicable because last time those opinions were mainstream in the west was Nazi Germany in WW2.

Normal people equate a country being rich with the people being rich. Hence, based on what normal people say, Saudi Arabia is not filthy rich as its GDP per capita is far behind the best performers.

And I already told you why it matters. Without oil, Saudi Arabia would be a poor country. It is not the system that is working well, Saudi Arabia is upper middle income because it is lucky to have a lot of easily extracted oil.

That is why I said there are no countries without oil, that is rich and on the bottom of the democracy ranking. That shows that China, which is an oil importer, will have to reform to a system more similar to the west if it does not want to get stuck in the middle income trap.

That's silly. Nephew's book is much more detailed than I could ever be. Why would I waste my time explaining how sanctions work when there are expert books on it?!

No, those opinions are still as widely held as ever, most people just won't utter them anymore because of the political correctness gestapo. My views are thousands of years older than Nazi-Germany.

GDP means only so much. Even GDP PPP only says so much, although it is more accurate.
SA is filthy rich, yes. People may not earn as much as in Luxembourg, but then again, citizens pay no income tax, health care is literally free, unlike here in Europe, where we actually pay for our "free universal" healthcare with taxes and social security contributions. Gas prices are very low. That's why at the end of the day Saudis are richer than Luxembourgers even on an individual basis.

I don't see any such correlation between economic development and democracy. China's middle class is growing fast, despite the un-Western system.
China is a very unique country, so there simply is no way to tell how its system fares compared to others. It is very different from the old Soviet Union or NK's, for instance. China might as well fare better than Western democracies, which after all is one thing the West is scared of. Hence all the desperate efforts to try and slow China's development.
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Old 02-22-2022, 10:45 AM
 
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Singapore has a score of 6.23 out of 10, so it's not at the bottom of the democracy index. China only got 2.21.

When I say that China can't remain at the bottom and get rich, what I am implying is that China needs to become more like Singapore.
It should be Western democracy index. You mean the Economist one, right? What the economist basically does is not rate the democracy, but the westernness of a country.
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Old 02-22-2022, 11:15 AM
 
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That's silly. Nephew's book is much more detailed than I could ever be. Why would I waste my time explaining how sanctions work when there are expert books on it?!
If you had spent 10% the effort you spend on explaining why you should not explain why Germany will collapse, then you would have already explained it. The more you refuse to answer, the more time you will waste.

This is not about time, but about you realizing that you are not capable of defending your own opinion.

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GDP means only so much. Even GDP PPP only says so much, although it is more accurate.
SA is filthy rich, yes. People may not earn as much as in Luxembourg, but then again, citizens pay no income tax, health care is literally free, unlike here in Europe, where we actually pay for our "free universal" healthcare with taxes and social security contributions. Gas prices are very low. That's why at the end of the day Saudis are richer than Luxembourgers even on an individual basis.
Are you seriously defending Saudi Arabia now? The average salary in Saudi Arabia is around $1700, in Luxemburg it is around $6000, and it isn't even the highest in Europe. And per capita it is only $660 in Saudi Arabia as most women don't work.

No taxes don't help much if your salary is terrible.

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No, those opinions are still as widely held as ever, most people just won't utter them anymore because of the political correctness gestapo. My views are thousands of years older than Nazi-Germany.
No, people do not secretly believe that homosexuals have something wrong with their brain and that getting kids is a duty.

Post your despicable opinions on any progressive forum and you will see how much society detest your opinions.

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It should be Western democracy index. You mean the Economist one, right? What the economist basically does is not rate the democracy, but the westernness of a country.
No matter who made it, the fact is that all of the countries at the bottom are non-rich or oil states and China is still at the bottom.

Logically, China can't remain at the bottom and become a developed country.

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Old 02-22-2022, 12:05 PM
 
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If you had spent 10% the effort you spend on explaining why you should not explain why Germany will collapse, then you would have already explained it. The more you refuse to answer, the more time you will waste.

This is not about time, but about you realizing that you are not capable of defending your own opinion.



Are you seriously defending Saudi Arabia now? The average salary in Saudi Arabia is around $1700, in Luxemburg it is around $6000, and it isn't even the highest in Europe. And per capita it is only $660 in Saudi Arabia as most women don't work.

No taxes don't help much if your salary is terrible.



No, people do not secretly believe that homosexuals have something wrong with their brain and that getting kids is a duty.

Post your despicable opinions on any progressive forum and you will see how much society detest your opinions.



No matter who made it, the fact is that all of the countries at the bottom are non-rich or oil states and China is still at the bottom.

Logically, China can't remain at the bottom and become a developed country.

As I said, read what the experts say about sanctions, how they work, their genocidal goals etc.
It applies to any country targeted.


I trust data from well-known sites:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...alue_desc=true

Terrible salary?!


Sure, as I said, hardly anyone dares utter views these days that they know violate political correctness.
Ask progressive couples in the process of becoming parents if they want their child to be heterosexual or homosexual. And why.


I disagree, China can continue to rank low on the Economist's table, and continue to develop. That's what they have been doing for many years now...
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Old 02-22-2022, 08:27 PM
 
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That's why at the end of the day Saudis are richer than Luxembourgers even on an individual basis.
Lmao the delusions. Average wealth of Luxembourg is 7 times larger than average wealth of Saudi Arabia. Median wealth is even more tragic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...alth_per_adult

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I trust data from well-known sites:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...alue_desc=true

Terrible salary?!
Saudi Arabia's PPP per capita is barely 50k which is nothing special at all. Nominal GDP per capita not only isn't filthy rich, it's really awful for a petrostate. Without the oil it would be extremely poor like Pakistan.
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Old 02-23-2022, 12:20 AM
 
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As I said, read what the experts say about sanctions, how they work, their genocidal goals etc.
It applies to any country targeted.
You said I should read your sources, so that you don't have to answer why Germany would collapse with Venezuela style sanctions.

Also, here is the opinion of a Venezuelan economic professor.

"Socialism run rampant—not cronyism, corruption, falling oil prices, or U.S. sanctions—caused the crisis in Venezuela."

https://economics21.org/how-socialis...oyed-venezuela



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I trust data from well-known sites:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...alue_desc=true

Terrible salary?!
I said Saudi wages are low, hence having no taxes don't help much. You provided a source for "GDP per capita", not wages like I did.


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Sure, as I said, hardly anyone dares utter views these days that they know violate political correctness.
Ask progressive couples in the process of becoming parents if they want their child to be heterosexual or homosexual. And why.
You sound similar to racists who has convinced themselves that everyone is a secret racist.

If you believe progressive people secretly want their kids to be heterosexual, think there is something wrong with homosexuals brains and think getting kids is a duty, then prove it.

For instance, you could ask r/liberal and see how popular your opinions truly are. But you won't do that, because secretly you know its not political correctness, people just think your opinions are awful.

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I disagree, China can continue to rank low on the Economist's table, and continue to develop. That's what they have been doing for many years now...
China liberalized from 1980 to mid 2010s. Hence the development we saw in that period matches the data.

You can believe that this will continue without further liberalization, but the data disagree with you as there are no rich countries without oil that a score below 6 in the democracy index. China peaked at 3.32 in 2018, which is higher than North Korea who didn't develop at all, but it is much lower than any developed country.

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Old 02-23-2022, 11:38 AM
 
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You said I should read your sources, so that you don't have to answer why Germany would collapse with Venezuela style sanctions.

Also, here is the opinion of a Venezuelan economic professor.

"Socialism run rampant—not cronyism, corruption, falling oil prices, or U.S. sanctions—caused the crisis in Venezuela."

https://economics21.org/how-socialis...oyed-venezuela



I said Saudi wages are low, hence having no taxes don't help much. You provided a source for "GDP per capita", not wages like I did.


You sound similar to racists who has convinced themselves that everyone is a secret racist.

If you believe progressive people secretly want their kids to be heterosexual, think there is something wrong with homosexuals brains and think getting kids is a duty, then prove it.

For instance, you could ask r/liberal and see how popular your opinions truly are. But you won't do that, because secretly you know its not political correctness, people just think your opinions are awful.

China liberalized from 1980 to mid 2010s. Hence the development we saw in that period matches the data.

You can believe that this will continue without further liberalization, but the data disagree with you as there are no rich countries without oil that a score below 6 in the democracy index. China peaked at 3.32 in 2018, which is higher than North Korea who didn't develop at all, but it is much lower than any developed country.

Sanctions are always tailored to each country so as to cause the most damage. But the approach is the same. In Germany they would target the auto industry or something like that.

I disagree with that 23-year old, exiled shill, I think INITIALLY, i.e. like maybe 5-10 years ago it was mere economic incompetence on the part of the government, and neighbors draining money from Venezuela.
But all that ceased to be relevant years ago. As UN and other experts confirm, it is now the sanctions preventing a recuperation, to the contrary.

Saudi wages are not low, Africa has low wages. The average Saudi wage is about the same as here in Portugal. But unlike the Saudis we have to pay taxes and social security contributions, high gas prices, etc. from that income.
And as a country SA is incredibly much richer than Portugal.

There is no point in asking people because they will never admit how they really think, being afraid of consequences.
Yes, indeed, I think 90% of the people claiming they are not racist, are racist. Like with homosexuality, white people's real views would surface if their child were to date a, say, black child.

Why 2010? China's development is stronger now than ever before, especially regarding quality development (r&d etc.). And that despite Xi, who many people claim is more authoritarian.
China is a unique country and system, it doesn't fit in any drawer that you have to apply in order to jump to your conclusions about top vs bottom of rankings.
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Old 07-24-2022, 07:35 AM
 
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coastal provinces have the advantage of overseas investment from HK,Taiwan and other developed countries,but the Chinese government want these companies to move inward to create jobs to those provinces you stated .
But there are plenty of migrant workers ,like the infamous Wuhan COV19 virus spreading to other parts of the country as migrant workers left Wuhan for holiday.
No different than in US,North and South Dakota,New Mexico,Wyoming !
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Old 07-24-2022, 11:05 AM
 
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I am sure China will continue to reject the failed Western concept of democracy, which only brings about conflict.

The Chinese seem to be happy with their concept according to a Danish study:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bga5Xmv5s1A

China is neither capitalist nor communist, it is simply a pragmatic market economy again, which it had been for many centuries before the communist intermezzo.
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Old 07-29-2022, 09:56 AM
 
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National citizens of China have to remain relatively quiet or encounter potential threats from their own governing system. Heavy interrogation or even going to jail. Signs of rejection or losing paid jobs. If that really matters to them.

The economically wealthier Chinese, young demographic, and urbanites(Especially even around Urumqi Xinjiang, Lhasa Tibet, I bet! Not just the coastal cities) are all likely to be against the current regime in various forms. (Pandemic Virus rules, anyone. Wow! Worst thing that ever happened to mainland China...) There is no other choice but to maintain composure from Beijing political agents. And just going with the status quo conformity flow.

Up to three specific articles on the topic:

https://journals.openedition.org/chinaperspectives/413
https://www.csis.org/features/public...ilent-majority
https://theconversation.com/hong-kon...-safety-141880
Having complaints and being against the current regime is not the same thing. There are endless complaints about the U.S. government, but could you really say people are against it. Sure there are small secessionist movements, but the vast majority are perfectly content and aren't going along because of political coercion of group think. Same applies to China. At the end of the day the Chinese government provides stability and economic opportunities to its citizens. Any government regardless of its ideology will be tolerated if it can deliver on these elements.
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