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Old 08-12-2022, 05:41 PM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Lol. You better surrender your land because the government that could never militarily take your island wants it really really bad. CCP loves to pull that argument out their ass, that they have an inherent right to be a military oppressor of the rest of Asia because they’re not a European or North American power, so their neighbours should just accept their subjugation. Small penis syndrome at its finest.
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well, as always, there are always multiple sides within the US government. During that time, some prefer the CPC, some prefer the KMT.
Maoism in the 30s/40s represented an ideal that was very appealing to Western soldiers after the suffering of the Great Depression. Stalin was revered my many at the same time. The brave PLA soldiers who fought against Japanese fascism at this time shouldn’t be forgotten, but the Cultural Revolution and the horrors of the CCP’s oppression coincided with the gradual liberalization and democratization of Taiwan under the younger Chiang and Lee to become the archetype of global freedom it is today. The mainland really missed out on what could have been.

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Old 08-12-2022, 06:17 PM
 
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It is not an autocratic government to begin with. It is a democratic government. Just because it is not a Western democratic system, does not mean it is not democratic. There are like a dozen of different types of democracy.
It is not democratic because the system is ruled by the elite, not because it is not western. There are other ways to organize democracy but China's system isn't one of them.

And before you try to argue that the west is in reality ruled by the elite too, then I will remind you that proving that the west is not a democracy does not make China a democracy.
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Old 08-14-2022, 11:18 AM
 
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Lol. You better surrender your land because the government that could never militarily take your island wants it really really bad. CCP loves to pull that argument out their ass, that they have an inherent right to be a military oppressor of the rest of Asia because they’re not a European or North American power, so their neighbours should just accept their subjugation. Small penis syndrome at its finest.

Maoism in the 30s/40s represented an ideal that was very appealing to Western soldiers after the suffering of the Great Depression. Stalin was revered my many at the same time. The brave PLA soldiers who fought against Japanese fascism at this time shouldn’t be forgotten, but the Cultural Revolution and the horrors of the CCP’s oppression coincided with the gradual liberalization and democratization of Taiwan under the younger Chiang and Lee to become the archetype of global freedom it is today. The mainland really missed out on what could have been.

I don't share that view at all. Taiwan is not even a sovereign country, it has a client regime run by the US.

The party currently ruling Taiwan dominates the media, so people are being brainwashed. It works just like in the West, where just a few corporations dominate the media and feed people the narrative they receive from their governments.

There actually was a peaceful, economy-driven reunification in the process years ago, but the US wanted to prevent it and started the usual color revolution, in this case the the Sunflower Movement, as usual by financing radical students.
The DPP actually supported and colluded with the terrorists that were ravaging HK a few years ago...

https://thegeopolitics.com/forces-be...g-kongs-riots/
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Old 08-14-2022, 11:20 AM
 
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I just read this new article on a Chinese site, explaining why China rejects the Western system:

The West's system export a recipe for disaster - People's Daily Online
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Old 08-14-2022, 11:21 AM
 
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Capitalism has never democratize anywhere.

It's the other way around. First comes Democracy, which enables the greedy to grab all the productive capital and exploit the working class..

You've never taken a history class, evidently.



China isn't either democratic or capitalist. It's a corporatist fascist state. That's evident in how capital gets deployed, how the CCP inserts itself into ownership and management of all successful enterprises, and how the state arbitrarily curtails property rights.
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Old 08-14-2022, 11:27 AM
 
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You've never taken a history class, evidently.



China isn't either democratic or capitalist. It's a corporatist fascist state. That's evident in how capital gets deployed, how the CCP inserts itself into ownership and management of all successful enterprises, and how the state arbitrarily curtails property rights.

The use of words like fascist already disqualifies you. Whatever goes on in economic policies, it has zero to do with fascism, which is not some empty drawer where you drop in any aspect you personally don't like about another country.

And it is only China's business, what they do in economic terms. It is their country, not ours. Their country, their rules. They don't tell us what economic policies to pursue, either. We are not the referee that decides what is right and what is wrong. We should get rid of that old, racist, imperialist attitude.
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Old 08-14-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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The use of words like fascist already disqualifies you. Whatever goes on in economic policies, it has zero to do with fascism, which is not some empty drawer where you drop in any aspect you personally don't like about another country.

And it is only China's business, what they do in economic terms. It is their country, not ours. Their country, their rules. They don't tell us what economic policies to pursue, either. We are not the referee that decides what is right and what is wrong. We should get rid of that old, racist, imperialist attitude.

Oh. That's quite some lazy word salad on your part. Since you don't seem to understand what fascism means, or its working principles, let's define them:



Fascism embraces a belief in inherent ethnic superiority. Check. Ask a Uighur about that one, not to mention most of China's other ethnic populations.


Contempt for democracy and democratic principles. Check. Ask the folks in Hong Kong how they feel about that one.


Obedience, almost fetishization, of a powerful leader. If that doesn't define the cult of personality surrounding Xi, I don't know what does.


Control over private property and the arbitrary exercise of power. Check once again.



Now that we've established China's textbook fascist bona fides, lets move on to what fascist corporatism is, which is distinct from capitalism. It's top-down, something that its pretty obvious by the number of major companies in China outright owned by the CCP or the PLA, or the requirement that successful corporations insert CCP members in positions of responsibility in their executives suites. Add to that the wholesale corruption and you pretty much have late-stage corporatism on your hands.

Need a working example? Let's look at the ongoing devastating collapse of the residential property market. While local and regional governments were not de facto owners of Evergrande, Country Garden, and all the others who are about to completely tank the Chinese economy, they were business partners. Because the land sales from all those ghost cities make up the majority of funding for those governments--or at least that was the case before September 2021 when the whole thing went bellyup.

The same is true for host of other Chinese industries, which have been seen more as employment programs than any functioning business in terms of profit and loss.


Okay, your turn. Let's hear another of your unfocused fact-free rants.
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Old 08-14-2022, 12:15 PM
 
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Oh. That's quite some lazy word salad on your part. Since you don't seem to understand what fascism means, or its working principles, let's define them:



Fascism embraces a belief in inherent ethnic superiority. Check. Ask a Uighur about that one, not to mention most of China's other ethnic populations.


Contempt for democracy and democratic principles. Check. Ask the folks in Hong Kong how they feel about that one.


Obedience, almost fetishization, of a powerful leader. If that doesn't define the cult of personality surrounding Xi, I don't know what does.


Control over private property and the arbitrary exercise of power. Check once again.



Now that we've established China's textbook fascist bona fides, lets move on to what fascist corporatism is, which is distinct from capitalism. It's top-down, something that its pretty obvious by the number of major companies in China outright owned by the CCP or the PLA, or the requirement that successful corporations insert CCP members in positions of responsibility in their executives suites. Add to that the wholesale corruption and you pretty much have late-stage corporatism on your hands.

Need a working example? Let's look at the ongoing devastating collapse of the residential property market. While local and regional governments were not de facto owners of Evergrande, Country Garden, and all the others who are about to completely tank the Chinese economy, they were business partners. Because the land sales from all those ghost cities make up the majority of funding for those governments--or at least that was the case before September 2021 when the whole thing went bellyup.

The same is true for host of other Chinese industries, which have been seen more as employment programs than any functioning business in terms of profit and loss.


Okay, your turn. Let's hear another of your unfocused fact-free rants.
It is just a list of the usual Western propaganda, lies, and accusations.
So no, not even worth a rant...
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Old 08-14-2022, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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It is just a list of the usual Western propaganda, lies, and accusations.
So no, not even worth a rant...
That's right. Don't have anything of substance to say to the contrary? Just completely and totally invalidate any critical viewpoint that comes from an entire half of the globe!! excellent tactic.

Meanwhile, using actual, literal propaganda from state mouthpieces to back your claims up.
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Old 08-14-2022, 02:41 PM
 
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People flock to places where they speak the language. That's why there is so little immigration to China, Japan etc.

What it says is not racism, but, well, cultural chauvinism.
And the author is accusing the Chinese of things, not stating facts.
Ah, ok. Not "racist." Just, "culturally chauvinist."

Do you feel any degree of shame or embarrassment for such ridiculous deflections and apologism for a party that doesn't even regard you as being close to their level?
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