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Old 08-14-2022, 02:49 PM
 
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That's right. Don't have anything of substance to say to the contrary? Just completely and totally invalidate any critical viewpoint that comes from an entire half of the globe!! excellent tactic.

Meanwhile, using actual, literal propaganda from state mouthpieces to back your claims up.

Classic tactic of someone who is out of bullets. Or, to be more accurate, never had any bullets in the first place.
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Old 08-14-2022, 07:43 PM
 
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I don't share that view at all. Taiwan is not even a sovereign country, it has a client regime run by the US.
If Taiwan is a client regime run by the USA, then Taiwan has been de facto American for the last 70 years.

That would make PRCs claim over Taiwan very weak.
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Old 08-14-2022, 09:35 PM
 
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I don't share that view at all. Taiwan is not even a sovereign country, it has a client regime run by the US.

The party currently ruling Taiwan dominates the media, so people are being brainwashed. It works just like in the West, where just a few corporations dominate the media and feed people the narrative they receive from their governments.

There actually was a peaceful, economy-driven reunification in the process years ago, but the US wanted to prevent it and started the usual color revolution, in this case the the Sunflower Movement, as usual by financing radical students.
The DPP actually supported and colluded with the terrorists that were ravaging HK a few years ago...

https://thegeopolitics.com/forces-be...g-kongs-riots/


Take your mother****ing meds. You are killing me lmao.
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Old 08-14-2022, 10:52 PM
 
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You've never taken a history class, evidently.



China isn't either democratic or capitalist. It's a corporatist fascist state. That's evident in how capital gets deployed, how the CCP inserts itself into ownership and management of all successful enterprises, and how the state arbitrarily curtails property rights.
that's a perfect description for republic of china before the "democratic" CPC took over, when china was ruled by a fascist dictator(warlords) and business tycoons.
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Old 08-15-2022, 02:44 AM
 
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that's a perfect description for republic of china before the "democratic" CPC took over, when china was ruled by a fascist dictator(warlords) and business tycoons.
Its actually the perfect description for most of China's history.

But that is beside the point, he is right that the current system is a corporatist fascist state.
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Old 08-15-2022, 06:18 AM
 
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that's a perfect description for republic of china before the "democratic" CPC took over, when china was ruled by a fascist dictator(warlords) and business tycoons.

That's literally the entirety of China's history in one form or another. Heck, China hasn't even been a unified country for the very large percentage of its history. Only Taiwan's recent movement into a functioning democracy is a hopeful sign.
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Old 08-15-2022, 08:52 AM
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I agree, Dengism is a right-fascist movement. It is not Communist. It’s repackaging fascism for a country that was oppressed by Japanese fascists in the 30s/40s so it was sold as “socialism with Chinese characteristics”. Doesn’t really change the end result. Maoism was more left wing a-la the Soviets, which is why many of the leftists in the Communist Party have left and criticized the departure from Maoism. There is a Maoist Party which operates underground which is now illegal. Imagine that, following the values of the Peoples Republic’s founder who’s portrait is everywhere is actually illegal
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Old 08-15-2022, 09:09 AM
 
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Only Taiwan's recent movement into a functioning democracy is a hopeful sign.
It isn't. Taiwan's history and ethos are completely unrelated to China. There's only been a very short overlap.
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Old 08-16-2022, 11:01 AM
 
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That's literally the entirety of China's history in one form or another. Heck, China hasn't even been a unified country for the very large percentage of its history. Only Taiwan's recent movement into a functioning democracy is a hopeful sign.
I see brainwashing doing work on the internet. I think you probably watched some youtube video and came up with this idea.
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Old 08-16-2022, 08:47 PM
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“4000 year history”, while correct, is referring to the Central Plain/Yellow River area. Places like Manchuria, Yunnan, Tibet, Taiwan, Xinjiang, etc were not considered “China” until much more recently.
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