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My point was, that the decision for who got the top job was made independently of the people's vote. There was no connection between one and the other. How is that "people rule"?
And yes, I'm having an issue with there being only one political party. How does that offer choice? What is there to vote for, if "yes" or "no" are the only options?
Would you like to get stuck with Vlad Putin, and more Vlad Putin for endless election cycles? I could name a few others, but I won't...
You are looking at democracy through your Western lens.
You are like Muslims telling Buddhists that they are not religious because they don't believe in the Muslim god, or any gods for that matter.
My point was, that the decision for who got the top job was made independently of the people's vote. There was no connection between one and the other. How is that "people rule"?
And yes, I'm having an issue with there being only one political party. How does that offer choice? What is there to vote for, if "yes" or "no" are the only options?
Would you like to get stuck with Vlad Putin, and more Vlad Putin for endless election cycles? I could name a few others, but I won't...
in my opinion, the decision for who got the top job should not be voted by everyone.
I don't have much comment about Russia because I don't know their history, nor their government really.
but here in the US, we have endless election cycles of ROP or Dems that undo the work of each other when they take turns in office and no progress can be made.
but here in the US, we have endless election cycles of ROP or Dems that undo the work of each other when they take turns in office and no progress can be made.
It is somewhat similar over this side of the border too, whether it was on a provincial or federal level.
Sigh!
Capitalism only "democratized" western countries and a couple of East Asian countries (recently).
It failed in all other places. Many rich countries such as Saudi Arabia are not "democratized".
You wonder why? LOL
of course, because american has the loudest voice. again, the chinese respects how other country works, whatever it works for norway is fine, but don't try to export it to other country like what the US is trying to do.
and to answer your question.
they would first make that into chinese style. The chinese tried to adopt western style of government and it has failed.
You didn't answer my question, even though you pretended you did.
Lets try again
For argument's sake, let's say it is clear that Chinese people want to implement Scandinavian-style democracy. Since you claim the people rule in China, how would the people use their power to change the current system into Scandinavian-style democracy?
To give you an example, this is how the people of Norway would get rid of the monarchy against the wishes of politicans. They would create a new anti-monarchy party that got for instance 25% of the vote. The new party demand a referendum on the monarchy to join and the left government agree, since they don't want to to corperate with the right. The people vote overwhelmingly against the monarchy in the referendum and Norway dissolve the monarchy.
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um, no, i'm from the great US of A, not Portugal
and some fun for you:
For argument's sake, let's say the chinese people hates vikings, so if china adopts your system of democracy, they would vote for a leader that send troops and work with russia take over Scandinavia.
since there is no censorship, everyone in china is fed by the anti viking/scandinavia daily as the candidates campaigning rally across the country with banners of "free the world of viking descendants!!!"
now would you still want china to adopt your style of "democracy"?
By saying that you are an American who moved to Portugal, you are just proving my point that you don't know much about China. When you didn't even realize that healthcare in China is not free, then I realized that you know very little about China.
Bad things have happened under democracy, it is not a perfect system. However, I have very high confidence that your scenario will never happen.
We can discuss if China should implement democracy later, but first, you need to accept the obvious, China is not a democracy today.
You didn't answer my question, even though you pretended you did.
Lets try again
For argument's sake, let's say it is clear that Chinese people want to implement Scandinavian-style democracy. Since you claim the people rule in China, how would the people use their power to change the current system into Scandinavian-style democracy?
By saying that you are an American who moved to Portugal, you are just proving my point that you don't know much about China. When you didn't even realize that healthcare in China is not free, then I realized that you know very little about China.
Bad things have happened under democracy, it is not a perfect system. However, I have very high confidence that your scenario will never happen.
We can discuss if China should implement democracy later, but first, you need to accept the obvious, China is not a democracy today.
to answer your question, it will be up to the leader of the CCP to change the system gradually. if for argument's sake, it's clear that the chinese people want to implement scandinavian-style democracy, then the CCP would want to implement a system like that within their party.
I have never been to Portugal, I don't know how that country got linked to me.
please find where I said that china is a democracy today?
China will never be a democracy, because they have their own tried and true system of "people rule" for thousands of years already. Their system will continue to evolve, but it will never be a carbon copy of US, or scandinavian style of "democracy"
to answer your question, it will be up to the leader of the CCP to change the system gradually. if for argument's sake, it's clear that the chinese people want to implement scandinavian-style democracy, then the CCP would want to implement a system like that within their party.
And if they leader say no, then how do people use their power to change the current system into Scandinavian-style democracy?
You claim that people have the power in China, but if they have to rely on the leaders being benevolent, then they clearly don't have the power.
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I have never been to Portugal, I don't know how that country got linked to me.
please find where I said that china is a democracy today?
China will never be a democracy, because they have their own tried and true system of "people rule" for thousands of years already. Their system will continue to evolve, but it will never be a carbon copy of US, or scandinavian style of "democracy"
I might have confused you with Neuling.
And China has always been ruled by the elites, not the people.
anyone have equal chance to become the elite and become the leader if they work for it.
Xi did not become a leader because of his father (in fact, his father is looked down by the party).
So did hu, jiang, deng, and mao.
Xi would have have been a farmer or a low level official if it was not for his father. His father got locked down by Mao, not by Deng Xiaoping. Under Deng he was the Vice Chairperson of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress.
And that anyone can become elite could be used as an argument in every single dictatorship where the power is not inherited.
But democracy or people rule is not that anyone has a possibility of getting power, it is that the people can push their collective will on the ruler.
Xi would have have been a farmer or a low level official if it was not for his father. His father got locked down by Mao, not by Deng Xiaoping. Under Deng he was the Vice Chairperson of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress.
And that anyone can become elite could be used as an argument in every single dictatorship where the power is not inherited.
But democracy or people rule is not that anyone has a possibility of getting power, it is that the people can push their collective will on the ruler.
well, if that's your definition, then it will be hard to find anywhere else in the world that is doing better than the CCP is doing in china.
what percent of your population support your leader/president? compare to more than 90% for the CCP.
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