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Old 03-22-2022, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Viet Nam
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How would you ponder China long lasting residency president Xi Jinping and how China could change under his tenure.Maintains fast financial development or goes to downturn as genuine as Japan does?
Xi did a ton in charge of web and speech,Chinese can not get associated with most popular web-based entertainment like facebook,google,twitter,what's app,instagram,tumblr,wikipedia,CNN,BBC,,,,,,,,tooo ooo many.......they dont realize what trully happened ordinarily outside China.There was absolutely no ability to speak freely or press,all the news they know were arranged by CCP.
Allow us to take Henan flooding in these days for instance.It isn't just a catastrophic event yet at long last ends up being government problem.Metros burrows actually open after climate agency send orange precipitation warning,since nearby government needs to report issues to the focal CCP to figure out how would it be a good idea for them they respond.
casualties in submersed train post realities in China web-based entertainment WEIBO,Wechat,Zhihu,soon get erased by activity group as far as large information catchphrases searching.In these days,China Central Television reports flooding in Germany without notice a word about flooding in Henan.The amout of death is far more prominent than authoritatively declared.
On the off chance that in excess of 36 casualties, No.1 of nearby power will being dismissed,so mishaps casualties seldom something like 35.Millions of completely arranged cameras never serve for truth.
Most Chinese live in the air pocket of programmed patriotism,dream of being solid and rich,socialism is best for China.They were been cheated for quite a long time by CCP.
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Old 03-22-2022, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Taipei
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Hope it leads to a civil war lol.
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Old 03-22-2022, 11:12 PM
 
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Hope it leads to a civil war lol.
A civil war in China is very unlikely because China is a very homogenous society and people's interests coalign.

A military or political coup is more likely.
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Old 03-23-2022, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Taipei
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A civil war in China is very unlikely because China is a very homogenous society and people's interests coalign.

A military or political coup is more likely.
That did not stop China from having numerous civil wars in its history.
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Old 03-23-2022, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Metro Phoenix
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A civil war in China is very unlikely because China is a very homogenous society and people's interests coalign.

A military or political coup is more likely.
The Chinese population is unarmed and highly surveilled, so I agree a civil war is not likely. The state apparatus places value on control above all else, and everything is geared in such a way as to prevent a civil war from ever happening. I could see another wing or column of government stepping in and taking over, pushing Xi from power through some means, but maintaining the same level of control that he had gained on affairs. To that end, I guess the main hope would be a govenrment that was more pragmatic than dogmatic, which eased some of the obsessive attempts at social control... Basically, back in the direction China had been taking before Xi's regrettable and ill-conceived ascent.

I think that most likely, either Xi ends up being forced into stepping down and allowing to make it look like it was done out of a sense of benevolence ("I have achieved my goals of strengthening China, and now it is time to pass on control to a new generation etc etc etc"), or, he stays on until death, and after that, the government quickly moves against whoever his chosen replacement was and puts in a reformer to walk back from his excesses, ala Mao/Deng.
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Old 03-23-2022, 01:33 AM
 
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That did not stop China from having numerous civil wars in its history.
Back then, it was not a very homogenous society, people spoke different languages and the interests of different groups did not coalign. For instance, the Qing dynasty represented Manchu who forced their culture upon everyone else.

To get civil war, you need two sides who are willing to fight each other. In Hong Kong it was mainlanders vs Hong Kongers, in Syria it was sunni vs shia. But this kind of divide does not exist on the mainland.

And of course, the Chinese are unarmed and highly surveilled.
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Old 03-23-2022, 10:52 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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China has had centuries of civil unrest right up to and including the communist era. The Cultural Revolution accounted for thousands losing their lives. And how many innocent people died during the Strike Hard campaigns right into the 80’s and 90’s?
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Old 03-25-2022, 05:12 AM
 
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...I just want to laugh There is something called VPN.China has its own software. Why do you need American software?CNN BBC news is a lot of fake news..........The Taiwanese are a frog at the bottom of a well....Vietnamese are even more ridiculous The cars are all from Japan and South Korea Social software is all American...You still think you're great...
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Old 03-26-2022, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Back then, it was not a very homogenous society, people spoke different languages and the interests of different groups did not coalign. For instance, the Qing dynasty represented Manchu who forced their culture upon everyone else.

To get civil war, you need two sides who are willing to fight each other. In Hong Kong it was mainlanders vs Hong Kongers, in Syria it was sunni vs shia. But this kind of divide does not exist on the mainland.

And of course, the Chinese are unarmed and highly surveilled.
Surveillance has long been a part of Chinese statecraft since at least the Qin Dynasty and even though now with modern technology, surveillance is even more prevalent, surveillance has not stopped civil wars from happening in China's history. It would be highly naive to think any homogenous society could not and would not break into civil war because the moment you desire to kill your own brother because of some unretractable disagreement, all bets are off. Now to your other point, is China close to civil war right now? I doubt it because most Chinese are satisfied at the moment. Even if they become dissatisfied, there would have to be a revolution, presumably a violent revolution, first and then civil war just like Russia/USSR between 1917 and 1921.

Looking back to the Republican period when a civil war was last fought, many poor Chinese, especially those in the rural parts, suffered greatly from indignation at the hands of corrupt government officials and greedy landlords. There was never enough to eat and one of the few ways to survive outside of hardscrabble farming was to join the army, whichever army that comes their way. Then you had two opposing forces, the CCP and the KMT, who irrevocably hated each other. China currently doesn't have that social and political milieu right now. Can the social, political, and economic status quo break apart one day after Xi's death or deposition? Sure, but China would need to have another Li Zi Cheng, another Wu San Gui, or another Cao Cao, such as a renegade PLA General or two no longer willing to listen to Beijing, arming really dissatisfied civilians to fight and rebel against the State, and holding territory to themselves. It is a long shot but you cannot say it is impossible.
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