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Old 06-05-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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how can we best explain our existence ?

what do you think is the cause of the existence of our universe ?

I think there are 3 options.

1. The univerese exists eternally, in one form, or the other, had no beginning.

2. The universe had a beginning, with the Big Bang, but without a cause.

3. The universe had a beginning, and therefore a cause.

If there are other options, which do not fit in one of these three categories, please name them.

If you agree, there exist basically only the above options, please explain, which option you think is most plausible, and why.
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Old 06-05-2010, 04:08 PM
 
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Poopoo happens
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Old 06-05-2010, 05:25 PM
 
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If we stick to the planet we're on, evolution is as good an answer as any. Wait, it's actually a better answer than any. Had to catch myself there

As for the bigger picture (the whole universe), we don't know and may never will. I've recently been reading through Carl Sagan's Cosmos, and it truly is damn near incomprehensible how large and vast our universe really is. You're looking for an answer to that? Good luck.

As a non-believing heretic, if someone asked me the big question on the universe, I'd simply reply we don't currently know. That doesn't mean we never will, but the odds of a definitive answer during any of our lifetimes are very slim to none at all, I'm afraid.
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Old 06-05-2010, 06:35 PM
 
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Number 3 without a doubt.

Physics disproves number 1 and logic discredits option 2.
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Old 06-05-2010, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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I have absolutely no idea which one I believe! I can't honestly say that any one of those options is any more viable than the others. I think it would be kind of cool and mind blowing to think that option 1 is correct. It's hard to fathom no begining and no end... and kind of beautiful, in my opinion! But who knows? No one, really!
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Old 06-05-2010, 07:07 PM
 
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Number 3 without a doubt.

Physics disproves number 1 and logic discredits option 2.
#1, preservation of matter and energy. Total annihilation of everything eliminates any evidence we will find anything to prove this.
(but the odds are still better than finding some deity with a magic wand that could create even a small moon, much less a universe)

Did the previous universe (that we might recognize as such) as it was similar to ours, stars, galaxies, and all of the other interesting things, eventually stopped expanding and fell back onto itself, creating what might resemble a monster blackhole, containing all matter and energy in existence, and it exploded in what we call the big bang. Or was the previous completely different, different atomic structure of elements, different laws of physics.

How many times has this happened, each time hundreds and hundreds of billion of years apart, in the past.

As Carl Sagan said, "we are made of star stuff"

And how sad to not be able to dream, to envision the unlimited possibilities, to be stuck in the thinking of a book written when the earth was believed flat. That may be comforting to some, but such a terrible prison for the mind.
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Old 06-05-2010, 07:43 PM
 
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And how sad to not be able to dream, to envision the unlimited possibilities, to be stuck in the thinking of a book written when the earth was believed flat.
The interesting thing is that the book you refer to does not advance the flat earth theory you’re talking about. Have you considered why that is?

Man chooses his own "prison".
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Old 06-05-2010, 09:52 PM
 
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The interesting thing is that the book you refer to does not advance the flat earth theory you’re talking about. Have you considered why that is?

Man chooses his own "prison".
I did not say that, I said; "to be stuck in the thinking of a book written when the earth was believed flat. "

It really wasn't the age of enlightenment and free thinking now was it.
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:01 PM
 
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What you wrote was clear, so was the implication. Have you ever considered the broader implications that were alluded to?
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Old 06-05-2010, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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how can we best explain our existence ?

what do you think is the cause of the existence of our universe ?

I think there are 3 options.

1. The univerese exists eternally, in one form, or the other, had no beginning.

2. The universe had a beginning, with the Big Bang, but without a cause.

3. The universe had a beginning, and therefore a cause.

If there are other options, which do not fit in one of these three categories, please name them.

If you agree, there exist basically only the above options, please explain, which option you think is most plausible, and why.

All of us are specks of dust and our little minds can't comprehend the vastness of this, it's nice to think about it here and there, but i wouldn't be consuming myself with it. It is what it is. We will never find out one way or the other.
You can debate this to no end, all is matter we're here to live, survive and do our best. Then we disappear to the same place we were before we were born, the beginning of the end.
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