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Old 11-21-2018, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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An American is reported to have been killed by an endangered tribe in India's Andaman and Nicobar islands.

Fishermen who took the man to North Sentinel island say tribespeople shot him with arrows and left his body on the beach.

Local media say he was a missionary. He has been identified as John Allen Chau.

Contact with indigenous Andaman tribes living in isolation from the world is illegal. Estimates say the Sentinelese number between only about 50 and 150.

Seven fishermen have been arrested for illegally ferrying the American to the island, police say.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46286215

It’s sad that religious people still feel obligated to force their religion upon others. Contacting these isolated tribes is illegal yet that didn’t stop this man from thinking some good ol’ religious indoctrination was needed. Good on these tribespeople for defending themselves.
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Old 11-21-2018, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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. Good on these tribespeople for defending themselves.
I do not think we lost much in the death of this martyr-seeking zealot, but would you be issuing the same congratulations had the situation been one where a Jehovah Witness was gunned down by someone who was annoyed by his or her door to door solicitations?
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Old 11-21-2018, 07:55 AM
 
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Notice that the tribesmen also shot arrows at the Navy helicopter when it came close. Suppose the helicopter landed and one of those people were killed by arrows -- Would the hue and cry then be, "It serves them right for being there."

Of course, I understand they were only there because of the missionary. Still the violent response of the natives was to outsiders, not religion. Spinning the narrative into an anti-Christian diatribe, on an atheism forum, doesn't really make it about that.
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:13 AM
 
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What an ass. I have no sympathy. "Missionaries" have destroyed hundreds of human cultures throughout history with their ideological imperialism.


This tribe is protected from outside influences by the Indian government and have been from decades. That's the way it should remain.
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Notice that the tribesmen also shot arrows at the Navy helicopter when it came close. Suppose the helicopter landed and one of those people were killed by arrows -- Would the hue and cry then be, "It serves them right for being there."

Of course, I understand they were only there because of the missionary. Still the violent response of the natives was to outsiders, not religion. Spinning the narrative into an anti-Christian diatribe, on an atheism forum, doesn't really make it about that.
I think the issue is that the missionary would have had no reason to go there if not for the Christianity-motivated drive to spread the gospel.

It's pretty common knowledge that the North Sentinelese are very hostile to outsiders. Also, their island is surrounded by reefs so it's difficult to get to, and approaching their island is illegal. Also, they don't speak English or any known language. Also, they're the most isolated people on the planet, so if the guy had a cold, he might have wiped out their entire civilization. I looked up all this stuff long ago just out of interest. It's all over the internet. I would be very surprised if this missionary found out about the North Sentinelese without also reading about how hostile they were.

You don't get that type of dumbness without religion unless there's schizophrenia or something involved, generally speaking.

The Navy would know not to go down without being very careful.
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:15 AM
 
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I do not think we lost much in the death of this martyr-seeking zealot, but would you be issuing the same congratulations had the situation been one where a Jehovah Witness was gunned down by someone who was annoyed by his or her door to door solicitations?
Are you taking about an uncontacted tribe or are you talking about intra-cultural contact? Sounds like you are talking about the latter. If you think they are the same then you are missing something huge.
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:22 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I gather that there is a policy towards Untouched tribes in the Indian ocean islands and in Brazil (Yawari) - leave strictly alone. And anyone who breaks that rule and gets themselves killed (a couple of fisherman got killed on the Indian island one time) it's unfortunate but - no nobody is up in arms. It falls to the True believer to suggests that the world is so anti - Christian that, while a rescue party would be flown half way round the world to rescue some stranded cavers...

"Call off the rescue effort - we just found out they're Chrsitians"

That, if you unpack your post, is what you are saying.

However, I'll cut you some slack as you probably had a kneejerk reaction to those narsty atheists drawing attention to yet another Christian acting like an asshat when the Correct thing to do would be to keep it out of the News.

I mean, it's not as if Christians want to go out of their way to draw attention to Atheists behaving badly to the extent of having a Christian impersonate an atheist acting like a jerk after clocking the camera to see that the filming had started.
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Stupidity + Sanctimony = Just desserts
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Old 11-21-2018, 08:26 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Stupidity + Sanctimony = Just desserts

I'm still puzzled about the thread - title. It sounded to me as though it ended with poetic perfection.
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Old 11-21-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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It’s sad that religious people still feel obligated to force their religion upon others. Contacting these isolated tribes is illegal yet that didn’t stop this man from thinking some good ol’ religious indoctrination was needed. Good on these tribespeople for defending themselves.
Reason #1001 as to why I do not subscribe to the Great Commision worldview.


Along with not wanting to be indoctrinated, these isolated tribes from around the world do not have the same immunity as the missionaries, which is fatal. These missionaries have been instructed of this repeatedly, but because of the Great Commision, they feel exempt.
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