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How about the US invasion of Iraq? Russian invasion and later US invasion of Afghanistan? What about the European colonization of Asia and Africa and the middle east? what religion was involved? Why is your memory so selective?
All wars are the same - greed and power and profit.
I agree with you and the others.
The numbers do not justify tagging religion as an evil entity. If I have to look at only numbers anit-religion countries killed far more people over the last few hundred years.
But, in reality, religion is a powerful motivator. For good and bad.
The numbers do not justify tagging religion as an evil entity. If I have to look at only numbers anit-religion countries killed far more people over the last few hundred years.
But, in reality, religion is a powerful motivator. For good and bad.
Religion is a powerful motivator to attain spirituality. Greed and hate are powerful motivators to use any means necessary to achieve those goals: nationalism, profits, fear of others, security, losing one’s religion.
Religion is a powerful motivator to attain spirituality. Greed and hate are powerful motivators to use any means necessary to achieve those goals: nationalism, profits, fear of others, security, losing one’s religion.
Yuppers ... A powerful motivator for good and bad.
Although, I also see it like a cast. Once you're "fixed", the cast actually hinders progress. But its true, some will need the braces for the rest of their lives.
so how do we compare notes CB? me who sees religion as a tool and you see it as something more?
Yuppers ... A powerful motivator for good and bad.
Although, I also see it like a cast. Once you're "fixed", the cast actually hinders progress. But its true, some will need the braces for the rest of their lives.
so how do we compare notes CB? me who sees religion as a tool and you see it as something more?
We are not that far apart, Arach. I see religion as a structure that has many parts. Spirituality draws from what religion contains - the texts and methodologies, the thoughts, observations and experiences, the mythology and ancient stories, the beliefs and assertions. It is the sum of all of it that inspires not only spirituality, but also the arts - the music, the drama, the architecture. What will we do without religion?
It is misplaced anger that some people have about religion due to their unfortunate experience with it caused by unscrupulous people.
Religion is a powerful motivator to attain spirituality. Greed and hate are powerful motivators to use any means necessary to achieve those goals: nationalism, profits, fear of others, security, losing one’s religion.
That infers losing one's religion is a conscious and deliberate act. People do not decide to lose their religion, they stop believing. You just added that on to attack those who have lost their religion, because that is what wise and compassionate people do.
If you want to use anything for your own goal, religion works much better, as history shows. Losing one's religion would put you on the outside in most countries, and even in places like China, where atheism is the official state policy, quite a few of the people in government are openly religious.
That infers losing one's religion is a conscious and deliberate act. People do not decide to lose their religion, they stop believing. You just added that on to attack those who have lost their religion, because that is what wise and compassionate people do.
If you want to use anything for your own goal, religion works much better, as history shows. Losing one's religion would put you on the outside in most countries, and even in places like China, where atheism is the official state policy, quite a few of the people in government are openly religious.
You have a strange method of comprehension. The fear of losing one’s religion is one of the motivating factors that lets nations take their country to war. It was fear of islam that was used to attack iraq when the real reason was profiteering off of oil and building up the weapon industry. You may not fully understand all this because you live in Germany which is not even allowed to have an army.
We are not that far apart, Arach. I see religion as a structure that has many parts. Spirituality draws from what religion contains - the texts and methodologies, the thoughts, observations and experiences, the mythology and ancient stories, the beliefs and assertions. It is the sum of all of it that inspires not only spirituality, but also the arts - the music, the drama, the architecture. What will we do without religion?
It is misplaced anger that some people have about religion due to their unfortunate experience with it caused by unscrupulous people.
Self reflection and rigorous honesty. For me, I ask "why did that trigger me?" "trigger" here just meaning a deep response. Then next thing I do keep track of how many times I blame "something else". For me, when I reach 5, 6, or 7 I stop and apply the first first sentence again.
Adult children of abuse can be land mines in society. Its just that most people are religious so many adult children of abuse can suffer at the hands of religion. Of course, they don't think of it that way. In group. we talk about iut one way. But out in the real world, we have a duty to be as honest as we can. I think anyway.
Like with gun violance. Draw a picture of the people doing most of the shooting. Some people will not think about it like that. Draw me a picture of who "tricked" us. It aint religion.
MoB mentality? sure that plays a role. FFR is just on the other side of dangerous to freedom to me. ANd it certainly shouldn't be covertly playing out in here. Thats deceitful to me.
You have a strange method of comprehension. The fear of losing one’s religion is one of the motivating factors that lets nations take their country to war. It was fear of islam that was used to attack iraq when the real reason was profiteering off of oil and building up the weapon industry. You may not fully understand all this because you live in Germany which is not even allowed to have an army.
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