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Old 10-29-2021, 07:13 AM
 
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A more important question is how does that belief translate into daily life.
A relevant question. Especially in view of the fact that many non-religious people claim to have “faith” or a “belief in a higher power”, for purely social reasons. It remains a bit awkward to come out as atheist. We are in transition, and that problem will disappear over the next few decades. Old habits die hard, but they do die. Furthermore, in western culture, the vast majority of so-called “religious“ people really do live their lives in effect as secularists. They reflexively lapse into religion-for-show briefly during birth, death, marriage, etc. but 99.99% of the time, they live as if this life is the only life, which evidence shows is the truth.

I am noticing now that even at weddings, references to deities and dogma is dropping off sharply among marriages of younger people. Funerals remain deity-centric, but I believe that the need for comfort is so compelling at that point that even pretend is superior to nothing at all.
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Old 10-29-2021, 07:15 AM
 
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Wishful thinking. Faithful thinking. The DEVELOPED world is full-on secularizing. The backward world, where mysticism and procreation are out of control, yields a statistic that indicates that the proportion of the world population that is religious is increasing. But that part of the world doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make things happen. Where it counts, and where human beings progress, and where the future is built, secularization is taking over completely and irrevocably.

This is a good and healthy trend because it comports with reality and existence. The future is bright because mysticism is in a state of terminal decline.
The 2018 Pew data provided shows 90% of Americans believe in god, higher power, spiritual force.
And 70% of "nones" believe in god, higher power, spiritual force. That is for the USA.

Do you then consider America to be "backward" "undeveloped" "doesn't matter" "doesn't make things happen" "doesn't count" "not the future" "no progress there" "no future built there"

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...belief-in-god/
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Old 10-29-2021, 07:17 AM
 
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There is no rational way to argue that far more people believe that we are not the top of the reality stack. The whole of science is studying that stack.
There is no reality stack. Meaningless gibberish again. You are once again lapsing into idle pop jargon without saying anything of substance.
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Old 10-29-2021, 07:20 AM
 
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The 2018 Pew data provided shows 90% of Americans believe in god, higher power, spiritual force.
And 70% of "nones" believe in god, higher power, spiritual force. That is for the USA.

Do you then consider America to be "backward" "undeveloped" "doesn't matter" "doesn't make things happen" "doesn't count" "not the future" "no progress there" "no future built there"

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...belief-in-god/
So you are going to lapse into cherry picking and interpretation to suit your desires. That’s fine if that’s where you get comfort. The vast majority of data from many different sources clearly shows that advanced societies are rapidly secularizing and there is no going back. That is just reality whether you like it or not.

But since you like Pew: https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/...at-rapid-pace/
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Old 10-29-2021, 07:20 AM
 
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Wishful thinking. Faithful thinking. The DEVELOPED world is full-on secularizing. The backward world, where mysticism and procreation are out of control, yields a statistic that indicates that the proportion of the world population that is religious is increasing. But that part of the world doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make things happen. Where it counts, and where human beings progress, and where the future is built, secularization is taking over completely and irrevocably.
https://youtu.be
https://youtu.be/

This is a good and healthy trend because it comports with reality and existence. The future is bright because mysticism is in a state of terminal decline.
with regards to religious videos preaching
i don't click on them.
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Old 10-29-2021, 07:34 AM
 
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with regards to religious videos preaching
i don't click on them.
Of course you don’t click on anything that you perceive will reduce dissonance with your preconceived biases. Reality doesn’t care. What is happening is happening whether you agree with it or like it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pew...urope/%3famp=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...016/index.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_China

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ind...291.html%3famp
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Old 10-29-2021, 07:41 AM
 
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There is no reality stack. Meaningless gibberish again. You are once again lapsing into idle pop jargon without saying anything of substance.
Some people use vague jargon so that they can misrepresent you not understanding them as you not understanding the evidence. It may poor communication, or it may be a deliberate ploy so that they can feel better arguing for a point that no one is actually arguing against.

So let me translate. The reality stack is the quantum world being responsible for our classical physics world, which is responsible for us, and that we are unimportant egos in some back water of one of many, many galaxies. I am confident you are not arguing against this view, even though your confusion about the post you quoted would make it appear that you are.
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:08 AM
 
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Of course you don’t click on anything that you perceive will reduce dissonance with your preconceived biases. Reality doesn’t care. What is happening is happening whether you agree with it or like it.
yes, what is happening is 90% of the USA believes in god, higher power, spiritual force.
i'm fine with that.

and what is happening among the nones (those with no religious affilitaion) is 72% believe in god, higher power, spiritual force.
i'm fine with that.

and what is happening is 62% of agnostics and 18% of atheists believe in god, higher power, spiritual force.
i'm fine with that too.

all of it.
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:15 AM
 
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Wishful thinking. Faithful thinking. The DEVELOPED world is full-on secularizing. The backward world, where mysticism and procreation are out of control, yields a statistic that indicates that the proportion of the world population that is religious is increasing. But that part of the world doesn’t matter. It doesn’t make things happen. Where it counts, and where human beings progress, and where the future is built, secularization is taking over completely and irrevocably.
https://youtu.be
https://youtu.be

This is a good and healthy trend because it comports with reality and existence. The future is bright because mysticism is in a state of terminal decline.
bold above
another example of why "Atheists are one of the most disliked groups in America" (Scientific American, 2012)
holding views about humanity such as those above:

"that part of the world doesn't matter"
"that part of the world doesn't count"

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...s-we-distrust/
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:49 AM
 
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bold above
another example of why "Atheists are one of the most disliked groups in America" (Scientific American, 2012)
holding views about humanity such as those above:

"that part of the world doesn't matter"
"that part of the world doesn't count"

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...s-we-distrust/
Once again you dishonestly take part of the text out of context.
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