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Old 10-24-2021, 06:08 AM
 
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Because religion is a word that is debated often around here, I will stick to its historical sense which is "read." Atheism has no such books to read that I am aware of and if it did, I wouldn't read them.
Atheism is non-belief. Non belief of what was “read”. If there was no “read” in the first place there will be no Atheism.
With spirituality too. It is filtering of the “read” and seeing the essence.
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Old 10-24-2021, 06:21 AM
 
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Atheism is non-belief. Non belief of what was “read”. If there was no “read” in the first place there will be no Atheism.
With spirituality too. It is filtering of the “read” and seeing the essence.
Yes. This I can agree with.
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Old 10-24-2021, 06:30 AM
 
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Yes. This I can agree with.
The difference between the two is that spirituality retains the affinity to the “read”, does not reject the “read”. It sees the truth in the chaff. It recognizes that the purpose the ‘read” serves is entirely dependent on the need of the moment for that individual and their karma. We all eventually transcend that need for the “read.” and reach wisdom.
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Old 10-24-2021, 07:06 AM
 
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I remember Julian trying to make atheism a religion, but I know only one such atheist with their own strange sect with it's repeated liturgies and mantras, a world haunted by non-existent demons.
So a Theist might stave off home trouble by putting up crosses, pentagrams, hex signs, conducting exorcism's, etc., wherein a TRUE Atheist would install security cameras and a "Ring" doorbell with Wi-Fi interface to their smart phone and "Alexa"?...
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Old 10-24-2021, 07:36 AM
 
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So a Theist might stave off home trouble by putting up crosses, pentagrams, hex signs, conducting exorcism's, etc., wherein a TRUE Atheist would install security cameras and a "Ring" doorbell with Wi-Fi interface to their smart phone and "Alexa"?...
That and a couple of Foo Lions and it's all good.
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Old 10-24-2021, 08:01 AM
 
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The primary reward and the seemingly pervasive motivation for fighting any characterization of atheism as a belief (system or no) is the puerile nonsense of placing a "burden of proof" on theists.
You're right...in a sense.
You have no burden of proof. None at all.
Unless you want us to believe you.
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Old 10-24-2021, 08:02 AM
 
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So a Theist might stave off home trouble by putting up crosses, pentagrams, hex signs, conducting exorcism's, etc., wherein a TRUE Atheist would install security cameras and a "Ring" doorbell with Wi-Fi interface to their smart phone and "Alexa"?...
As a spiritual atheist, I use plants with thorns concealing a 1,5 meter high iron fence with points like a Zulu warrior's spear.

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That and a couple of Foo Lions and it's all good.
Or a miniature Yorkshire terrier and a wife who does Snake style Kung Fu. Happiness is when she finds her middle. Pain is when she finds yours.

Om.
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Old 10-24-2021, 08:08 AM
 
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Atheism is non-belief. Non belief of what was “read”. If there was no “read” in the first place there will be no Atheism.
With spirituality too. It is filtering of the “read” and seeing the essence.
Since atheism is the rejection of theism it exists as it’s counterpoint . Atheism exists as an object only because theists choose to categorize those who don’t agree with them and seek to make them agree or ostracize them if they don’t. If theists were to simply allow non believers to do so in peace , atheism wouldn’t exist as a formal concept . The non theists would simply be non believers . But non belief still exists even when belief no longer exists . It’s just that in that case everyone are nonbelievers .


Using the word “read “ brings up another example of how non belief isn’t a “system” of belief , but just a lack of belief . Illiteracy. According to theists who argue that non belief is a belief system, illiteracy is a system of “non reading” , which is a ridiculous claim.

Non belief is merely the lack of belief in gods . Illiteracy is merely the lack of ability to read . Neither are thought systems of their opposites .

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Old 10-24-2021, 08:16 AM
 
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As a spiritual atheist, I use plants with thorns concealing a 1,5 meter high iron fence with points like a Zulu warrior's spear.



Or a miniature Yorkshire terrier and a wife who does Snake style Kung Fu. Happiness is when she finds her middle. Pain is when she finds yours.

Om.
Those things are surprisingly vicious, the Yorkies and the wives.
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Old 10-24-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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The difference between the two is that spirituality retains the affinity to the “read”, does not reject the “read”. It sees the truth in the chaff. It recognizes that the purpose the ‘read” serves is entirely dependent on the need of the moment for that individual and their karma. We all eventually transcend that need for the “read.” and reach wisdom.
We Transend having to be careful what we talk about based on how theist may use it.

Most atheist are of that sort. They believe in all sorts of "theist-looking" type stuff. "Past lives" is an example of a belief that is as flimsy as a deity. But some atheist unite anyway under a flag of what exactly?

One way to see is how the form up ... When atheist meet in large groups?

What is their call of appeal to get people there?
What types of things are they there to discuss?
What is the primary focus?

That will shed some light.
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