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Believe me, I see what this forum is about. It's about bullying because you will not admit you simply can't get a creation of the universe by natural means. A simple scientific fact like that upsets you all to the point that you will use any means possible to try to hide that fact.
Oh, the universe. That is a different question to existence itself (which I have already answered). I am surprised someone with your science knowledge does not understand the difference. There are many different cosmological theories backed up with actual science, with no god required.
Just Google "where did universe come from" instead of doing your usual dancing and evading.
Second warning: This thread isn't about the origin of the universe. This thread is about the drop in the percentage of people in America who believe in God. Let's at least make an effort to get back on topic. Here is the thread title and the Opening Post.
Belief in God drops to 81%, an all-time low
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Originally Posted by mordant
According to a new Gallup poll, American's belief in god has fallen to an all-time low of 81%.
This seems particularly significant given that we are in a time of multiple national (and global) crises, which is supposed to conjure up a lot of "foxhole atheists".
Indeed during the period 1944-2011, this figure was around 90% quite consistently.
I do not pretend to reconcile this with figures generally given for atheism of < 10%. As usual, people probably hold contradictory views, saying they don't believe in god, yet pray to him, etc.
But it certainly does not seem to be the lift that theism would normally get from this sort of threat environment.
Oh, the universe. That is a different question to existence itself (which I have already answered). I am surprised someone with your science knowledge does not understand the difference. There are many different cosmological theories backed up with actual science, with no god required.
Just Google "where did universe come from" instead of doing your usual dancing and evading.
You're free to copy and paste any parts of your response that got around the basic science I gave. I didn't see any of that in your writing here.
I have to pinch myself to be sure this is not a bad dream where people are that much out of reality.
"The laws actually show that the universe probably started by the natural laws."
And that's shown by your evidence of...
(blank)
Wow, sure wished I could make up anything I want. How those laws were just there, who knows? You said and somehow it has merit.
Nipped for space ...
From the same person who can't even get around the science I gave and says we don't know, no matter how well-proven those laws are and you really have to go out of your way to show they can be doubted.
Keep in mind some key words. I said "probably". so we are comparing your "I think I am probably right" to me: "I think its me that is probably right."
81% believe in some thing more. so lets look at this 81%
Better stated, lets put your claim and my claim in a relative reliability list.
so lets just unpack: "How those laws were just there"
what are our options?
1-something started it (at least, by this thread 81%)
2-nothing started it. (haven't seen one set of credible defenses for this one myself)
3-
What else can we add that help me and you unpack what we are saying to better understand each other?
Second warning: This thread isn't about the origin of the universe. This thread is about the drop in the percentage of people in America who believe in God. Let's at least make an effort to get back on topic. Here is the thread title and the Opening Post.
Belief in God drops to 81%, an all-time low
Well I don't know how much more there is to say about it. It's an interesting drop, but still high, and everyone who actually has a personal take on it seems to have provided it.
Maybe one of these posters contributing to the faint buzzing sound I hear in the background can open up their own thread to gaslight in. I'm fine with shutting this one down FWIW, if that's what the moderators want to do. I think it's fair to say this thread has long since been hijacked.
shut it down before we start to realize that some of "them" will not buy into "its only about religion" as the arbiter of reliable beliefs. Special pleading usually never wins the debate. well, unless we look at usa's politics that is.
But this forum is not for that kind of thing ...
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shut it down before we start to realize that some of "them" will not buy into "its only about religion" as the arbiter of reliable beliefs. Special pleading usually never wins the debate. well, unless we look at usa's politics that is.
But this forum is not for that kind of thing ...
I'm fine with starting in a different part of this forum. Oh, and "special pleading" didn't get around the laws I gave either.
About the poll numbers, I already agreed that the appear correct.
You're free to copy and paste any parts of your response that got around the basic science I gave. I didn't see any of that in your writing here.
I have done my work several times on this thread, if you want to see it again, reread the thread, and then we can discuss any science in the science forum.
As to the OP, I ask myself if a large part of this is due to atheists posting on the internet?
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