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Grace is just a graceful way of saying karmaphala, fruit of actions (stealing from Swami Dayananda Saraswati )
You may call it luck, but seeking the Self, this knowledge of the Self is more than a lucky break. It is a lifelong impulse, an attraction that comes naturally, and does not cease.
Words cannot convey the fragrance, true. But once we know what it is, through experienced for sure, we know what it is, and also what it is not. That is knowledge. Analogies are not perfect, they can only get us so far.
The Self, atma, is to be known. We already experience it, it is not separate from us. The flashes of joy and beauty and compassion, and our awareness of it is the reflection of the Self alone. The inquiry into the nature of the Self is through means of knowledge, not experience. What needs practice is perfecting the attitude that is required, to qualify ourself to receive the knowledge.
All that stuff is real nice. Smelling roses, knowing self, flashes of joy and beauty and compassion and reflections of self, etc.
What it has to do with the the topic of rising numbers of atheists growing across the world I do not know.
But I certainly don't think atheists care about all that stuff one way or another for the most part. You can participate in all that spiritual type of stuff without having to believe in stories that aren't true. You can participate in all that stuff without demanding that everybody else do yoga, or meditate or whatever. You can do all that stuff without making claims about the eternal destiny of others.
All that stuff is real nice. Smelling roses, knowing self, flashes of joy and beauty and compassion and reflections of self, etc.
What it has to do with the the topic of rising numbers of atheists growing across the world I do not know.
But I certainly don't think atheists care about all that stuff one way or another for the most part. You can participate in all that spiritual type of stuff without having to believe in stories that aren't true. You can participate in all that stuff without demanding that everybody else do yoga, or meditate or whatever. You can do all that stuff without making claims about the eternal destiny of others.
All that stuff is real nice. Smelling roses, knowing self, flashes of joy and beauty and compassion and reflections of self, etc. What it has to do with the the topic of rising numbers of atheists growing across the world I do not know. But I certainly don't think atheists care about all that stuff one way or another for the most part. You can participate in all that spiritual type of stuff without having to believe in stories that aren't true. You can participate in all that stuff without demanding that everybody else do yoga, or meditate or whatever. You can do all that stuff without making claims about the eternal destiny of others.
an atheist making claims about believers,
is no different than a believer making claims about atheists.
All that stuff is real nice. Smelling roses, knowing self, flashes of joy and beauty and compassion and reflections of self, etc.
What it has to do with the the topic of rising numbers of atheists growing across the world I do not know.
But I certainly don't think atheists care about all that stuff one way or another for the most part. You can participate in all that spiritual type of stuff without having to believe in stories that aren't true. You can participate in all that stuff without demanding that everybody else do yoga, or meditate or whatever. You can do all that stuff without making claims about the eternal destiny of others.
The "stories" aren't the point. The message in the "stories" is the point and yes...some people understand the message through the stories.
there are some atheists who are literalists, in the same way there are some believers who are literalists.
if a literalist is a fundamentalist, then there are atheist fundamentalists.
it is the same behavior.
"Fundamentalism is a tendency among certain groups and individuals that is characterized by the application of a strict literal interpretation to scriptures, dogmas, or ideologies." There are atheists posting here on CD whose posts demonstrate that they fall into this category.
there are some atheists who are literalists, in the same way there are some believers who are literalists.
if a literalist is a fundamentalist, then there are atheist fundamentalists.
it is the same behavior.
"Fundamentalism is a tendency among certain groups and individuals that is characterized by the application of a strict literal interpretation to scriptures, dogmas, or ideologies." There are atheists posting here on CD whose posts demonstrate that they fall into this category.
(The Bolded) I’ve been calling it atheist evangelism — the preaching, lecturing, demeaning, belittling insulting, the guilting, the condescension, but it has a fundamentalism aspect also. They are just the flip side of the same coin of fundamental religious evangelists. There are also mature atheists here that raise valuable insights, inquiries, and challenges to those of us with awakened spiritual lives.
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there are some atheists who are literalists, in the same way there are some believers who are literalists.
if a literalist is a fundamentalist, then there are atheist fundamentalists.
it is the same behavior.
"Fundamentalism is a tendency among certain groups and individuals that is characterized by the application of a strict literal interpretation to scriptures, dogmas, or ideologies." There are atheists posting here on CD whose posts demonstrate that they fall into this category.
Absolutely! I kinda wonder sometimes if the 'militant' atheist is militant because they were once a militant Christian...
...and they would be militant in ALL areas of their lives, not matter what religious/non-religious philosophy they have.
And to the bolded:
“Let come what comes, let go what goes. See what remains." - Ramana Maharshi
What do you think about the phrase "feel bad about yourself because you did something wrong?" It sounds highly egocentric to me? Am I the only one?
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