09-11-2011, 10:00 PM
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Atlanta is not anymore ghetto than any other city and is actually a lot more clean than a lot of other cities.
When people from other places refer to Atlanta as ghetto they are pointing out the rampant chronic homelessness, the sense of no neighborhood particularly feels safe (crime is more spread out there rather than in pocketed areas) and the rap/hip hop scene really hurt Atlanta's image just as much as it propelled it into the limelight. People associate rap and hip hop with drugs, prostitution, gangs, crime, degradation of women, etc. And Atlanta was running around claiming to be the Hip Hop capital of the world with lots of pride behind that statement so people hear that, see the crime stats and homelessness and form an opinion.
09-11-2011, 10:25 PM
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As another outsider, reading many posts/articles about Atlanta, here is what I conclude.
1. Many natives no longer like Atlanta becuase it grew too fast is totally different place than the one they grew up with (LA and Phoenix suffer from the same love/hate native problem)
2. The racial aspect does play a role in Atlanta sometimes negative perception
3. It being in the South. Period. I may love many parts of the South, but some regions of the country despise it, and every city within it--just cause it's in the South. Many ignore how far the South region has come and to telll the truth, some from the rust-belt are very jealous of the growth, massive migration and companies which have relocated to the New South cities. It really bothers some people.
4. In light of what I just said about the jealousy factor, folks from the old, rusted or has-been cities hate what many Atlanta boosters have been prone to do in the past (though it's changing), which is to rub thier achievements other cities faces. Therefore, because of some Atlantan's extreme boosterism, some make it a point to seek out and highlight Atlanta's flaws--instead of praise its accomplishments. For instance, some will be quick to point out the amount of homeless in DT Atlanta. But NY, Philly, Baltimore, and even lil' ol' Providence, RI, and many other cities have LOTs of homeless folks walking around downtown. Homelessness and panhandlers are by no means unique to Atlanta.
Another point: Some say that there are too many Ghetto areas around Atlanta, but I can name you 25 cities in rapid succession where there are ghettos, as bad or far worse that Atlanta's.
In conclusion, Atlanta only has a "negative perception" in the eyes certain groups of people. But in the view of others, Atlanta is great success story. A vibrant, thriving business and cultural center that has much to offer many, but at the same time a turnoff to others.
Now, take out Atlanta and put in most other large cities and one can make the same points, postive or negative, for each .
Exactly Atlanta has been everything I expected it to be I didnt come here with this huge perception that it was the land of Milk and honey. I so enjoy Atlanta much more than Alot of places I visit. Especially cities in the south
09-11-2011, 11:24 PM
Location: Denver, CO
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unwarranted? I took a cruise downtown a week ago and there was a crackhead running after and shouting at one of those horse drawn carriages with a group of tourists. I don't know what the hell they call that thing, "tour of the crackheads"?
In the rare instances I go on Marta trains it seems the stations and trains both are filled with people during the daytime with no job. Literally 99% of them clearly have no job or place to go. I've riden marta from the airport and have seen out of towners scared for their life!
I've seen groups of people and families RUNNING from the marta stop to their hotel on several occasions, LOL. Can you blame them? There typically isn't a single cop for several blocks downtown.
I think that Atlanta, for just a top 30 city in the US, is definitely boostered up and people who live in the top 5 cities get tired of it real fast.
I think that that you should just take the criticism, it is well deserved. Far from unwarranted. If anything I think people are TOO nice.
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09-12-2011, 05:43 AM
Location: Atlanta
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unwarranted? I took a cruise downtown a week ago and there was a crackhead running after and shouting at one of those horse drawn carriages with a group of tourists. I don't know what the hell they call that thing, "tour of the crackheads"?
In the rare instances I go on Marta trains it seems the stations and trains both are filled with people during the daytime with no job. Literally 99% of them clearly have no job or place to go. I've riden marta from the airport and have seen out of towners scared for their life!
I've seen groups of people and families RUNNING from the marta stop to their hotel on several occasions, LOL. Can you blame them? There typically isn't a single cop for several blocks downtown.
I think that Atlanta, for just a top 30 city in the US, is definitely boostered up and people who live in the top 5 cities get tired of it real fast.
I think that that you should just take the criticism, it is well deserved. Far from unwarranted. If anything I think people are TOO nice.
Most of the out of towners that are afraid of the things you mentioned are probably from small towns or either they aren't used to being in a city with as high a black presence and it scares them. Certainly if they are from one of the top five cities most things they see in Atlanta are not going to Alarm them. People in those cities are used to constant "interesting things" like the crackhead you mentioned.
That being said, I do think the Hotel districts Downtown need to be more heavily policed as do some other areas. That would go a long way towards making things feel safer in a lot of areas.
09-12-2011, 07:54 AM
Location: Odessa, FL
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As an outsider looking in, at least on these forums, I've never seen a city or metro area with so many negative comments pouring in from people from other cities and states,
...
Truth be told, Atlanta has achieved a lot in a very short amount of time. These accomplishments have been overshadowed with an inundation of negativity which are distorting the truth and causing confusion.
But there seems to be an underlying tone, when sound factual evidence can't be held responsible for shortcomings. Everything seems to point to the fact that Atlanta.....
Up until this point I was sure I knew where the OP was going with his post. He was going to say "...the fact that Atlanta is in the South".
Then I kept reading and realized it was "another post about race."
But, truthfully, it's the same thing.
09-12-2011, 09:13 AM
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Several good points in this thread. Atlanta is just very different from the "ideal" big city in America. The standard for big cities in the US is New York, with other Bos-Wash cities reinforcing that idea. When people think of a classical big city here it is usually a dense, northeastern (plus Chicago), fairly diverse city with a nice waterfront.
Atlanta, on the other hand is more sprawled out, is southern, is majority black (city proper, though this will change shortly) and has no major body of water. And I do agree that in Atlanta the local media tends to sensationalize the crime in the city ("if it bleeds, it leads") so it seems more dangerous than it really is.
Atlanta in some ways is caught in-between two ideals. A lot of old-timers/southern traditionalists don't care for the city b/c they think it grew too fast, lost its southern character and is a rat-race. Urbanists don't care for it b/c it is too sprawly and as I described in my other paragraphs doesn't fit the classical idea of a big, dense city.
09-12-2011, 09:26 AM
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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And I do agree that in Atlanta the local media tends to sensationalize the crime in the city ("if it bleeds, it leads") so it seems more dangerous than it really is.
What is the deal with this? It drives me absolutely insane. We turn the TV on in the morning to check traffic before my husband heads out, and we have to listen to ten minutes of who got shot last night. Why is this news? Also, houses catching on fire, why do they have to have a helicopter hovering over like this is important to anyone except the unfortunate person who got burned out? A house fire is only of significance in that specific neighborhood and presumably if a house caught fire in your neighborhood you'll know about it.
As for shootings and such, same thing. Does it really warrant the breathless gavel to gavel coverage they're given in this town? Fortunately we've discovered Georgia Navigator and no longer need to check the traffic, and I don't watch any of the local stations anymore.
09-12-2011, 09:34 AM
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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Therefore, because of some Atlantan's extreme boosterism , some make it a point to seek out and highlight Atlanta's flaws--instead of praise its accomplishments.
I know this is the situation in my case. I'm no newbie on the Atlanta scene and I don't come from the Rust Belt. I grew up next door in north Alabama, and yes, the extreme boostering got on my ever last living nerve. To my mind Atlanta is pretty much par for the course of any large city, but to hear some folks tell it, especially in the 90s it was some type of Nirvana on the Plain. I was skeptical and amused because coming from next door, I've known Atlanta all my life and I knew most of the stuff folk were saying simply didn't apply--unless of course you came from the northeast or California. Otherwise you were liable to go broke trying to live the big-city lifestyle. Atlanta got its reputation the old-fashioned way, it pretty much earned it: It IS home of the blinged out lifestyle. It DOES somehow manage to be bourgie and ghetto at the same time. (No, I have no IDEA how that's possible, but Atlanta manages it.) It IS too sprawled out a fact that makes living here very difficult. For instance, getting home from my kid's soccer game took me an hour on Saturday. Yes, I know they're working on 285, but the alternate routes were backed up to the gills as well. Nobody bothered to plan this city's growth and it shows in myriad ways. Maybe the recession will give the city a chance to catch its breath and rectify some of it's mistakes--but I doubt it. It's not like people are making stuff up.
And yes, I knew all this before I moved here, but I would imagine for someone not intimately familiar it would be a disappointment.
09-12-2011, 10:31 AM
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People like to bash because it makes them feel better about themselves and the life choices they have made even when it comes to picking a place to live. Everyone thinks their neck of the woods is better and will defend their position until the cows come home. No one wants to feel as though they are ever wrong or capable of making a bad decision-logic, facts and common sense be damned-Some take this irrational approach when talking about "their" city. It's as if no other city is as livable as theirs and thus they resort to criticizing other cities.
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Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)