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Liberals simply have their heads in the cloud. They believe their own problems arent their fault-- its corporate greed that is to blame! Plus, the government is their to take care of their every neeed, if necessary. Ah, the stress free life of a liberal!
Meanwhile Conservatives believe they must solve their own problems. They arent waiting around for the govt to take care of then, and so are fully engaged. Especially when they consider all the liberals looking at THEIR assets as their own, under the guise of "fairness".
Its what OWS is all about. Liberals saying "gimme, gimme, gimme" to anyone who has more than they do. Its envy and greed elevated to a supposedly legimate political stance. *&%&^*&^_$#*& SCARY!
You really need to pick up the phone and call someone who is impressed by all your constant chest beating and carrying on, because I'm not, and I can count a lot of other folk who aren't either...
I will admit, I am among those who find the OWS protests kinda disjointed, and maybe lacking a central message, but that's my take on it, and I know not everyone will agree with me...
But I have a problem with all this 'liberal' baloney being spewed 24/7...I work for a living, five days a week...I ain't greedy and I ain't envious, and I will get off my a** and WORK for whatever my family and I need...any problems I face, whether of MY creation or by others, I will work out MYSELF...I am not looking for a handout, from the government or any-blasted-body else, thank you very much...I have served my country, and so have many others in my family, both blood relatives and extended family by marriage...
And yet, because I do not embrace a certain political ideology, I am suddenly a 'liberal commie pinko terrorist'? As the young folk say---really?
I'm sorry that it chaps your butt that things aren't being done a certain way (strike that---YOUR way), but guess what---this is America, and no ONE race, religion, OR political party, should be able to tell everyone else what to do...that's why we have elections...that's why we have laws...that's why there are, and SHOULD be, two sides to every argument
That's why groups like the Tea Party and OWS, at TOTALLY opposite ends of the spectrum, are able to have their say...because here, we recognize the right to free speech and lawful, peaceful assembly, even when we don't agree with what those folk may be protesting...
But no, that's not good enough, obviously...you'd love for anyone else who doesn't think like you to shut up and sit down, so you can hear the lovely sound of your own voice---probabaly cranked up to 10, calling somebody a liberal
Well, tough...get used to it, because all the red-faced florid speeches, and name-calling, and snarky remarks you make, aren't going to silence people who disagree with you...be they OWS protestors, or American citizens who just so happen NOT to embrace a conservative bent...those people are CITIZENS...NOT 'commies' or 'liberals' or 'spoiled rabble', but people who just so happen not to think like you, and aren't some un-American mob bent on overthrow like you want to pump them up to be...
Its what OWS is all about. Liberals saying "gimme, gimme, gimme" to anyone who has more than they do. Its envy and greed elevated to a supposedly legimate political stance. *&%&^*&^_$#*& SCARY!
For the life of me I can't figure out why folks who consider themselves conservative are so passionate about defending Wall Street no matter what -- operators who make all kinds of shady financial deals that siphon money out of the economy, who get paid more in one hour than most of us earn in a lifetime, who don't make any tangible product, who get taxpayer funded bonuses even when they fail miserably, and who get the government to bail them out to the tune of trillions of dollars in public money, while ordinary folks are going down the tubes in record numbers.
Why is it so vital to stick up for the Lloyd Blankfeins and Angelo Mozilos of the world? These guys are doing just fine, and laughing all the way to the bank at both liberals and conservatives.
Maybe even especially at the conservatives -- who would have thought they'd become the passionate allies of the rip off?
Did I say radio? I said MEDIA. Radio is a dying medium. Turn on your TV. Watch the news. Read a newspaper like the NY Times or Washington Post. Search the internet. Liberalism pervades the MEDIA.
That's a ridiculously one-sided statement. There are any number of conservative and moderate newspapers around the country. It's not like the Wall Street Journal, Washington Times, and New York Post don't have significant readerships or influence, and those are all conservative. And that's not to mention any number of local periodicals in cities all around the country. You think the Marietta Daily Journal is liberal???
And radio has a significant listenership as well, and arjay is totally right that it's absolutely saturated with conservative/right-wing voices. (It may be declining somewhat, though I suspect its numbers swell again during this next election cycle.)
It's a disingenuous claim by conservatives to say the "media" is liberal, when there is so much conservative and corporate-controlled media out there in print, on the radio, on TV, and online. It's also odd since conservatives typically like to blame others for "playing the victim." They act as if they've been victimized and marginalized constantly, when in reality they control many, many media platforms in this country.
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When I took my job, I knew what I was being paid, what the benefits were that I would receive, and that I had no guarantee of a job, just as the company had no guarantee of an employee. Just as they could let me go if business conditions changed, I could quit and go to work for the competition or for a better job if my personal conditions changed. It works both ways. Without an employment contract, we are all "at will" employees who can be let go at any time for any reason, and the company owes us nothing.
While what you say is true, I personally find it sad that the employer/employee relationship has turned into such an adversarial one even for non-unionized positions.
I personally would rather sacrifice some benefits and pay for stability and a meaningful career, but that's becoming harder and harder to find these days.
My father worked his entire career for one large corporation, switching positions on the way up as the company required. Today, that seems like a quaint idea rather than the fairly common situation it used to be.
If only we deregulated businesses, America would be a much better place! Imagine a world where corporations can collude to set prices - I mean, corporations were defined by the Supreme Court as a "person" (and thereby allowed to make infinite campaign contributions) so shouldn't they be able to have free speech too? And while we're at it, corporations should be allowed to collectively bargain! Walmart, Target, McDonalds, heck, all of 'em should be allowed to collude and set wages and maintain a "black list" for anyone who joins protests, opposes corporate lobbying, or votes the wrong way (lol that won't happen anyway because by then we'll have bought all of the politicians).
The only regulations that will pass are those that our agents aka Senators and Congressmen are instructed to pass. We'll mandate that buying prescription drugs from Mexico or Canada is a felony (we can't have competition, no no no). We'll mandate everyone to buy health insurance and bankruptcy insurance and volcano insurance and zombie insurance (and seize their paychecks if they don't). We'll do away with the public school system and the postal service and we'll privatize roads and police and fire protection and make them all a pay-per-use service.
Every bank transaction, every car accident or traffic infraction, every health procedure, every political registration, and every Facebook post will be tracked and compiled in our logarithm to separate the "loyal American employees" that we want to hire from the anarchist/commies that belong in prison. Speaking of which, we'll privatize prisons too, and institute a work-for-food program for the prisoners, providing them with the capitalist rehabilitation that they need to succeed in our brave new world.
Since it's totally indisputable (please ignore books that argue the contrary - libraries are un-American socialist propaganda institutions) that tax breaks for the rich and corporations help America more than tax breaks for the poor, businesses will be taxed at 0% and will actually get a 10% feudal - I mean, freedom subsidy. The new America can afford this because we'll tax the lower class at 90% (they are too stupid to make good economic decisions with their own money anyway, otherwise they wouldn't be poor to begin with).
And when underling-class Americans find that all of the fees and taxes are breaking their backs, that's totally fine, we have a solution for that! If they are "loyal Americans" they can live in company dorms and their wages will go towards their food and living accommodations. Of course, they should be very appreciative of having a place to work in the first place and any expectations of a cash salary are inappropriate. Out of the generosity of our hearts, we may issue them corporate-vouchers (aka Celebration Currency) from time to time which they can use to buy trinkets from our company store. Celebration Currency can also be used as a reward for our especially loyal employees that report any dissension or attempts to organize within our slave - excuse me, I mean labor force.
DAMMIT, we need to deregulate!!! Why do people feel the need for regulation?!?!?!
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Am I one of the thinly veiled "less gov't conservatives?"
You have no idea what I've supported or what I've done in my life. You'd be surprised that I don't fit your stereotyped prejudices. Your comment is offensive, and it's another example of one way tolerance practiced by liberals. I would make the argument that the Democrat welfare plantation does much more to undermine civil rights and upward mobility than any perceived corporation's actions.
Sweeping generalizations cut both ways, Neil. As a liberal midwesterner, I take some issue with the above. Plantation? Isn't that a ... regional ... construct?
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Many here clearly have precious little knowledge or experience with how a business operates and/or its financial underpinnings. This makes it difficult when discussing such matters.
True, but when business folks start applying their precious financial principles to other aspects of life, I find myself getting twitchy.
There's a lot more to life than the bottom line, at least for some of us.
Human advancement in all areas of life, be it social, technological, spiritual, and moral, I would think should be the highest ideals to strive for. Mankind is overdue for another Renaissance, I'd say.
And for those who views their entire existence as no more than the earning of a paycheck from the start to its conclusion? My gosh, I feel sorry for those folks...to have such a vapid and empty outlook on life.
Where is the time to travel? Where is the time to write & paint? To reflect on one's own journey in life? To imagine the what their future may be as well as the future of the world?
For some folks I guess their life's journey is merely summed up as just a paycheck and nothing else. If such is the case, they can have it. For me however, I'd rather not follow that Pied Piper of commerce to hades.
There's more to human existence than just that. It's the experience, I think.
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True, but when business folks start applying their precious financial principles to other aspects of life, I find myself getting twitchy.
There's a lot more to life than the bottom line, at least for some of us.
You really need to pick up the phone and call someone who is impressed by all your constant chest beating and carrying on, because I'm not, and I can count a lot of other folk who aren't either...
I will admit, I am among those who find the OWS protests kinda disjointed, and maybe lacking a central message, but that's my take on it, and I know not everyone will agree with me...
But I have a problem with all this 'liberal' baloney being spewed 24/7...I work for a living, five days a week...I ain't greedy and I ain't envious, and I will get off my a** and WORK for whatever my family and I need...any problems I face, whether of MY creation or by others, I will work out MYSELF...I am not looking for a handout, from the government or any-blasted-body else, thank you very much...I have served my country, and so have many others in my family, both blood relatives and extended family by marriage...
And yet, because I do not embrace a certain political ideology, I am suddenly a 'liberal commie pinko terrorist'? As the young folk say---really?
I'm sorry that it chaps your butt that things aren't being done a certain way (strike that---YOUR way), but guess what---this is America, and no ONE race, religion, OR political party, should be able to tell everyone else what to do...that's why we have elections...that's why we have laws...that's why there are, and SHOULD be, two sides to every argument
That's why groups like the Tea Party and OWS, at TOTALLY opposite ends of the spectrum, are able to have their say...because here, we recognize the right to free speech and lawful, peaceful assembly, even when we don't agree with what those folk may be protesting...
But no, that's not good enough, obviously...you'd love for anyone else who
doesn't think like you to shut up and sit down, so you can hear the lovely sound of your own voice---probabaly cranked up to 10, calling somebody a liberal
Well, tough...get used to it, because all the red-faced florid speeches, and name-calling, and snarky remarks you make, aren't going to silence people who disagree with you...be they OWS protestors, or American citizens who just so happen NOT to embrace a conservative bent...those people are CITIZENS...NOT 'commies' or 'liberals' or 'spoiled rabble', but people who just so happen not to think like you, and aren't some un-American mob bent on overthrow like you want to pump them up to be...
Wow. It's called hitting a nerve folks.
Free healthcare for all? Forgiveness of all student loans? These are some of their demands. Sure, people are free to have their own ideas. But some ideas ARE antithetical to the principles on which this country was founded.
Am I not free to have my opinion, and espress it? Doesn't sound like it.
Show me where I named called, or sought to silence anybody. I would advis not taking things personally when they are not intended as such.
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