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Old 01-09-2013, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I was thinking more along the lines of down the road rather than "now".

True energy independence to me involves unfettered access to energy without major negatives. Radioactive waste by-products that will not break down into the environment safely for thousands of years is a huge negative. Not to mention that there is no permanent storage shelter designated for all of that nuclear waste byproduct.

With Fission power, there is no true way to dispose of the radioactive waste byproduct safely. And Fission power produces a LOT of waste. So one really can't call it a true energy source replacement for oil.

Why do so many people seem to skate over that inconvenient reality?

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Really, nuclear fission power is the best way to go given our technology. Very high energy density source. France gets 75% of its electricity from nuclear power. We shouldn't be using our fossil fuels to generate electricity.

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Old 01-09-2013, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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After Obama there will probably be a Republican president so it will then be time for that..
Not so sure the Republican party will last until then...
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:48 PM
 
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I was thinking more along the lines of down the road rather than "now".
Well AS...we don't have it now. And we've been trying for decades to achieve sustained nuclear fusion.

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True energy independence to me involves unfettered access to energy without major negatives. Radioactive waste by-products that will not break down into the environment safely for thousands of years is a huge negative. Not to mention that there is no permanent storage shelter designated for all of that nuclear waste byproduct.

With Fission power, there is no true way to dispose of the radioactive waste byproduct safely. And Fission power produces a LOT of waste. So one really can't call it a true energy source replacement for oil.
95% of that waste can be reprocessed and reused. That's what the French do. The actual amount of waste is small.

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Why do so many people seem to skate over that inconvenient reality?
It's just the opposite; few people know the reality of nuclear power.

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Old 01-09-2013, 12:50 PM
 
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Not so sure the Republican party will last until then...
Both sides have been predicting the others' demise for years. Don't get your hopes up.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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Well we still have oil-rich Iran to invade. After Obama there will probably be a Republican president so it will then be time for that..
More likely to concern nuclear weapons than oil. Iran is willing to burn if means it can take Israel with it.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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Both sides have been predicting the others' demise for years. Don't get your hopes up.
MM - A boy can always dream!
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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America will never be outta the world oil market. We have too many interest overseas to just walk away. Don't forget the billions of people that have became middle class in the last decade in developing countries.
We are far and away the world's biggest user of oil, of which, 60% is imported. If we are out of the world market, i.e. importing oil, prices will be depressed.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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We are far and away the world's biggest user of oil, of which, 60% is imported. If we are out of the world market, i.e. importing oil, prices will be depressed.
OPEC would just decrease its output to artificially keep prices high!
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:27 PM
 
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OPEC would just decrease its output to artificially keep prices high!
Yes, they'd have to cut production drastically to keep the prices the same. But their volume of sales drops drastically too as the US is not buying. And the non-OPEC producers could further eat into their marketshare. That would send the OPEC local economies into a tailspin as oil revenue drops drastically. In the hopes of restoring revenue, they'd have to cut prices to be competitive and hopefully increase sales volume to make up for the price cuts.
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Old 01-09-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Well AS...we don't have it now. And we've been trying for decades to achieve sustained nuclear fusion.
With the miniscule amount of money the world currently invests in nuclear fusion research, that would likely be the case.

But I bet you if there was another cold-war type of situation and the United States still had that that 1950s to late 1970s tax rate, I bet you that our country would have a nuclear fusion plant up and running in at least 25 years or less.

There just needs to be the right type of motivation, that's all.


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95% of that waste can be reprocessed and reused. That's what the French do. The actual amount of waste is small.
I don't believe that statement at all. And I am quite surprised that a Georgia Tech alum would make such an inaccurate statement.

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