2012 SAT/GPA for public colleges and universities: UGA, Tech set records, averages increases overall (Atlanta: private school, income)

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by dichloromethane

Fine, the CAA it is. Really, I can't give you a straight answer unless i analyze the budgets, student body demographics, research expenditure, age, campus, gift giving and endowment data(rate of returns and initial investment).

CAA schools include William & Mary and Northeastern.

So really it's your word against mine. The BOR hasn't released an updated peer group listing in a long time.

Not exactly. An aspirational peer is a little more deep rooted than that. I mean, ideally yes, but we have to be realistic. Something I'm not sure you enjoy doing. It would be nice if GSU could magically transform Grady and underground, but it would also be nice if Jurassic Park was real. There are some things GSU can do right NOW to prevent itself from being left too far behind.

GSU should try to obtain WSU's institutional structure. Consider the demographics of the students, the size of the campus, the endowment.

Wayne State University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think it would be very wise of Becker to pay attention to what WSU does. Detroit and Atlanta aren't all that different either. WSU has a beautiful urban campus - but isn't a top university like NYU or U Chicago. It is possible to have a welcoming campus without being located in the suburbs. Look at Tech even.

However, I still think GSU should merge with GGC.

I don't think GSU can put together property in downtown to even be a Wayne State.

Wayne State University, Detroit, MI - Google Maps

The best option might be to merge GSU with Clayton State, SPSU, GGC, and KSU. It may or may not be unique among universities but if the BOR is really concerned about admin bloat and duplicate programs, this would be a good option.

[dichloromethane]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

I don't think GSU can put together property in downtown to even be a Wayne State.

Wayne State University, Detroit, MI - Google Maps

The best option might be to merge GSU with Clayton State, SPSU, GGC, and KSU. It may or may not be unique among universities but if the BOR is really concerned about admin bloat and duplicate programs, this would be a good option.

I don't know how to reply to this. Please explain your reasoning.

[MathmanMathman]

Originally Posted by dichloromethane

I don't know how to reply to this. Please explain your reasoning.

I don't know how to say it simpler. What is your confusion?

[ChefRamsey]

Relax guys Tech was a typo.

Although technically, Georgia's engineering was moved to Tech.

I think you might be right mathman. I mean it'll never happen, but I think KSU and GSU should merge. GGC too. They'll serve as GPC for universities...or Arizona State lol

They're all semi-commuter/part-time schools too. The problem is I don't think anyone wants to be associated with GSU. We'll see who continues to win the race to attract better students even if it's just marginally. When I look at trends I see that KSU steadily closed in on GSU over the past 10 years, just like Southern did. GGC could be merged though. Easy fit.

[dichloromethane]

Originally Posted by MathmanMathman

I don't know how to say it simpler. What is your confusion?

I was hoping for a reply more along the lines of "Well there doesn't seem to be any other option!"

I didn't think you were actually serious.

What makes you think that this super university will be any more effective than it's present day state? You've gone on about everyone not being able to be number one. Combining GGC, GSU Clayton State and SPSU to form a big lump of nothing. Colleges aren't gumbo. I think that merger would truly cause chaos. Who would preside over this university? I hope not Mark Becker. Clearly he seems to have his hands full. Clayton State needs to be put on probation and its accreditation removed. The school is worse off than the school district.

[consultingengineer]

Originally Posted by dichloromethane

I was hoping for a reply more along the lines of "Well there doesn't seem to be any other option!"

I didn't think you were actually serious.

What makes you think that this super university will be any more effective than it's present day state? You've gone on about everyone not being able to be number one. Combining GGC, GSU Clayton State and SPSU to form a big lump of nothing. Colleges aren't gumbo. I think that merger would truly cause chaos. Who would preside over this university? I hope not Mark Becker. Clearly he seems to have his hands full. Clayton State needs to be put on probation and its accreditation removed. The school is worse off than the school district.

Kudos to you, Dichlor. Bigger is not necessarily better. Witness our fedefal government.

[arjay57]

I can't believe we're still battling over Morehouse. It's obviously a good thing for some people, regardless of test scores and such. I've hired a good number of people over the years and have never once asked them what they made on the SAT.

Success speaks for itself and Morehouse has plenty of grads who have done very well indeed.

[ChefRamsey]

lol Gumbo. Agreed.

Oh sure arjay, Morehouse men find plenty of jobs. Many top corporations in America actually recruit from Morehouse. Taco Bell, Wendys, Crystals, Mrs. Winners, Burger king etc.

These are all multibillion dollar corporations.

Some may do well from Morehouse, but MOST do not. You can't compare Morehouse's top 10% with the rest of America's average..even though that's probably the fairest comparison.

I still think GSU is a little better than Morehouse..not by much, but the graduate programs are better. The undergrad are probably equal.

Morehouse is definitely a model for Clark and Spelman is a model for them all.

[ChefRamsey]

Dang...Morehouse and GSU might actually be equals...

https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/c...ehouse-college
https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/c...ate-university

Equal freshman retention rates and graduation rates. Morehouse seems to be a little better off in terms of ACT/GPA. GSU didn't report the breakdowns of ACT this year..I wonder why lol

Morehouse also requires LoRs and an essay. GSU doesn't.

[Ant1992]

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

Dang...Morehouse and GSU might actually be equals...

https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/c...ehouse-college
https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/c...ate-university

Equal freshman retention rates and graduation rates. Morehouse seems to be a little better off in terms of ACT/GPA. GSU didn't report the breakdowns of ACT this year..I wonder why lol

Morehouse also requires LoRs and an essay. GSU doesn't.

Look at the difference between how many apply between each school though. We're talking almost a 10k difference in people alone.

And again, your bias is showing. Based on the GPA, GSU's has a significantly higher % in the 3.0-3.75 category then Morehouse does. The only thing Morehouse has over GSU would be the 3.75+ and that's barely a few percentage points higher.

It doesn't beat GSU in SAT or ACT either. Are we looking at the same things?

Why would someone pay 24k a year to go to Morehouse if GSU offers the same or a little bit better and pay only 8-10k a year? Remember GTcorndog's Return on Investment. Morehouse's ROI would not be high, where GSU's would be much higher.

There are probably many students who attended and graduated Morehouse with a boatload of debt. It wouldn't help if they failed classes either considering the % who graduate in 6 years isn't very high either.

I would never pay 24k+ a year in tuition unless I was going to a top 25 school in the nation.