Massive project could ‘urbanize’ Perimeter Center(Dunwoody) (Atlanta, Sandy Springs: employment, buy)

[primaltech]

Even if you live in Chamblee, which has a MARTA station, what are you going to do except drive to here? Nobody's going to take a train down to Lindbergh, then all the way back up again on the Red line, just to go 2 miles down the road.

And you can just forget Gwinnett's nearly 1 million residents being able to take transit to here.

North Fulton, the bus to North Springs sits in the gridlock on 400. I guess that's mildly better than driving, assuming where you're going is within walking distance to a station.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Yes that is correct, but PC is well served by 3 MARTA stations. State Farm is building their campus with direct MARTA access, so MARTA is becoming more of an economic development tool and encouraging development in areas served. It is one reason why Perimeter Center is the premier edge city and is killing Cumberland in this market.

Cumberland has the Braves and don't need no stinkin' MARTA; haven't you heard?

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by primaltech

Even if you live in Chamblee, which has a MARTA station, what are you going to do except drive to here? Nobody's going to take a train down to Lindbergh, then all the way back up again on the Red line, just to go 2 miles down the road.

That is a 25 min train ride. Sure it is a only a 15 minute drive without traffic. But many would kill for only 10 minutes of traffic delay during rush hour in that area.

I most certainly would take the train if I were in that position.

But seriously, people need to get past the I-can-think-of-one-example-of-where-transit-is-not-a-good-option-therefore-it-is-never-a-good-option flawed logic.

People deserve to have an option to not drive places. And developers are realizing the people want that.

If you want to keep driving, good luck to you. But it will not be getting better.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by jsvh

That is a 25 min train ride. Sure it is a only a 15 minute drive without traffic. But many would kill for only 10 minutes of traffic delay during rush hour in that area.

I most certainly would take the train if I were in that position.

Bus route 25 serves Chamblee and JFR corridor with service to Medical Center and Lenox. Another dumb route where the end stations alternate and 30 minute or greater headways.
MARTA - Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority

[fieldm]

Originally Posted by primaltech

Even if you live in Chamblee, which has a MARTA station, what are you going to do except drive to here? Nobody's going to take a train down to Lindbergh, then all the way back up again on the Red line, just to go 2 miles down the road.

And you can just forget Gwinnett's nearly 1 million residents being able to take transit to here.

North Fulton, the bus to North Springs sits in the gridlock on 400. I guess that's mildly better than driving, assuming where you're going is within walking distance to a station.

That's there problem.

[MattCW]

Originally Posted by bu2

You need to allow high density development in certain places. Perimeter Center is one of the 3 most logical places, along with downtown and midtown.

Density is too broad a term. Frankly, there are three main kinds of density residential, commercial-service, and commercial-office(yes, just like SimCity). They can all exist together at some level, buildings with sidewalk-level services, apartments up top and offices scattered around, Westside Provisions is a decent example of this though primarily combining services with offices with separate residential. While all three can coexist in big cities, for the suburbs, the ideal is residential combined with services with people using the nearby transit to reach the offices downtown. Many commuter-rail-served towns in the northeast are like this with primarily shops and cafes downtown near the train station for the people boarding the train to go work in the offices downtown.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Density is too broad a term. Frankly, there are three main kinds of density residential, commercial-service, and commercial-office(yes, just like SimCity). They can all exist together at some level, buildings with sidewalk-level services, apartments up top and offices scattered around, Westside Provisions is a decent example of this though primarily combining services with offices with separate residential. While all three can coexist in big cities, for the suburbs, the ideal is residential combined with services with people using the nearby transit to reach the offices downtown. Many commuter-rail-served towns in the northeast are like this with primarily shops and cafes downtown near the train station for the people boarding the train to go work in the offices downtown.

Many of the towns along the RR are currently set up for this.

[AtlantaIsHot]

Originally Posted by brown_dog_us

Once you get outside 285 most of the commercial developments are car centric. The employees that fill these buildings will drive from Gwinnett, Forsyth, and Cobb county every day. It's why rush hour traffic is such a mess.

That's why metro Atlanta needs commuter rail badly to the far out suburban areas. Perimeter Center's problems are mainly the result of a huge suburban mall and other drive-to locations in the middle of it. These are exacerbated by the U.S. desire to build directly next to highway interchanges which causes all the massive traffic generated by the mall/etc. to strangle the area. There is no dispersal and no diffusion of the traffic volume and all the signals.

[wasel]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Bus route 25 serves Chamblee and JFR corridor with service to Medical Center and Lenox. Another dumb route where the end stations alternate and 30 minute or greater headways.
MARTA - Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority

That's a pretty important route for a lot of nursing home employees.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Density is too broad a term. Frankly, there are three main kinds of density residential, commercial-service, and commercial-office(yes, just like SimCity). They can all exist together at some level, buildings with sidewalk-level services, apartments up top and offices scattered around, Westside Provisions is a decent example of this though primarily combining services with offices with separate residential. While all three can coexist in big cities, for the suburbs, the ideal is residential combined with services with people using the nearby transit to reach the offices downtown. Many commuter-rail-served towns in the northeast are like this with primarily shops and cafes downtown near the train station for the people boarding the train to go work in the offices downtown.

Perimeter Center is a major employment district. Its a classic Edge City. Ideal for it is commercial-office like the proposed project with some residential. It already has retail/service.