$80 million project will rise at Avondale MARTA station (Decatur: apartment, renters)

[wasel]

Originally Posted by cqholt

That's a problem you need to take up with the developer, as there should be a silt fence or something to prevent the muddy runoff. That is not the fault of the local government.

Of course. And I have. My comment was directed at the person who said they are "glad MARTA is being this way."

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by wasel

Of course. And I have. My comment was directed at the person who said they are "glad MARTA is being this way."

Sorry about your house, the developer should pay for all damages.

[wasel]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Sorry about your house, the developer should pay for all damages.

The sad thing is I spoke at several Brookhaven City Council meetings and told them this would happen. They didn't listen.

I am amused by people who spout off on this site about "nimby's" and "developers know how to work with cities" without really knowing how things are actually working. I attended a meeting the other night about our watershed and basically learned that Brookhaven is "built out" (their engineer's words, not mine) and yet they keep approving all these massive multiuse developments like the MARTA one with no regard for runoff or impervious ground or the fact that our sewers are maxed out (which is what a DeKalb engineer told me.)

Nobody is against putting something on the MARTA site but there is a lot of justified concern about long term impacts of things and this terrifies environmentally aware people like myself.

[UrbanConquistador]

Originally Posted by wasel

The sad thing is I spoke at several Brookhaven City Council meetings and told them this would happen. They didn't listen.

I am amused by people who spout off on this site about "nimby's" and "developers know how to work with cities" without really knowing how things are actually working. I attended a meeting the other night about our watershed and basically learned that Brookhaven is "built out" (their engineer's words, not mine) and yet they keep approving all these massive multiuse developments like the MARTA one with no regard for runoff or impervious ground or the fact that our sewers are maxed out (which is what a DeKalb engineer told me.)

Nobody is against putting something on the MARTA site but there is a lot of justified concern about long term impacts of things and this terrifies environmentally aware people like myself.

You have a valid concern here, however most NIMBYISM is due to selfish reasons and wanting to maintain the status quo.

If sewers are maxed out however, the solution cannot be to simply stop growth. Extra sewage capacity needs to be added. The population isn't shrinking anytime soon, and unfortunately Americans aren't eating any less...

[jsvh]

Yes, stopping or limiting growth are not real solutions to problems. If the sewer/ electrical / water / transportation infrastructure is strained somewhere, the new tax revenues from the new development should be used to solve it.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by wasel

The sad thing is I spoke at several Brookhaven City Council meetings and told them this would happen. They didn't listen.

I am amused by people who spout off on this site about "nimby's" and "developers know how to work with cities" without really knowing how things are actually working. I attended a meeting the other night about our watershed and basically learned that Brookhaven is "built out" (their engineer's words, not mine) and yet they keep approving all these massive multiuse developments like the MARTA one with no regard for runoff or impervious ground or the fact that our sewers are maxed out (which is what a DeKalb engineer told me.)

Nobody is against putting something on the MARTA site but there is a lot of justified concern about long term impacts of things and this terrifies environmentally aware people like myself.

Dude. How much clearer do I need to be: Those are two separate issues.

What I was referring to with the NIMBYs was people who get up in arms because some proposed development "interferes with their way of life." I'm sorry, but unless you live in a cave, there is going to be development somewhere.

The fools who wrecked havoc on your basement, by contrast, deserve to be dealt with. As has already been pointed out, those developers should have erected a silt fence and whatever other erosion controls were needed. It's your prerogative, but if you take them to court, I hope you win. There is a reason we have government regulations; there is a reason we need government regulations; and it is to prevent messes such as this, and render justice when they occur.

Now the thing is--and I already pointed this out--if they build up that mixed-use development on the east lot of the Brookhaven station, there is no existing adjacent residence to worry about literally mudding up. Apple Valley Road would be the first thing hit, and that would not go over well with nearby residents. And if the City of Brookhaven wouldn't take care of that, well, you've got a bigger problem on your hands.

[wasel]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

Dude. How much clearer do I need to be: Those are two separate issues.

What I was referring to with the NIMBYs was people who get up in arms because some proposed development "interferes with their way of life." I'm sorry, but unless you live in a cave, there is going to be development somewhere.

No, you were referring directly to the people I said wanted more due diligence: Your words were NIMBYs tend to be too self-centered to properly understand the big picture.

One of those "nimby's" is an environmental engineer with decades of experience specifically in sewage management who is saying "whoa, we need to slow down." I think he is well qualified to understand the big picture.

Can I ask why you are so against proper due diligence? Are you just being argumentative or do you actually have skin in the game?

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by wasel

No, you were referring directly to the people I said wanted more due diligence: Your words were NIMBYs tend to be too self-centered to properly understand the big picture.

One of those "nimby's" is an environmental engineer with decades of experience specifically in sewage management who is saying "whoa, we need to slow down." I think he is well qualified to understand the big picture.

Can I ask why you are so against proper due diligence? Are you just being argumentative or do you actually have skin in the game?

Dude, we're just going round in circles now. I'm not gonna keep being a part of this. Bad erosion control has nothing to do with NIMBYism. Nothing. What you're talking about are allegations of a city's rubber-stamping new developments without giving the slightest thought as to how many the infrastructure can take.

There are perfectly legitimate projects that NIMBYs have killed, and there are absolutely horrible projects that NIMBYs have killed. But the development has to go somewhere.

[wasel]

Yes, rubber stamping. Exactly.

[wasel]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

Dude, we're just going round in circles now. I'm not gonna keep being a part of this. Bad erosion control has nothing to do with NIMBYism. Nothing.What you're talking about are allegations of a city's rubber-stamping new developments without giving the slightest thought as to how many the infrastructure can take.

There are perfectly legitimate projects that NIMBYs have killed, and there are absolutely horrible projects that NIMBYs have killed. But the development has to go somewhere.

Hey, you brought up nimby's, not me!
Yes, correct about the rubber stamping.
Yes, development needs to go somewhere. No one said differently.