NIMBY Brookhaven strikes again (this time against MARTA mixed-use) (Atlanta: credit, transfer)

[bu2]

Originally Posted by jsvh

And what do you think the fix is? Take new buildings down & front yards of remaining SFHs to make Dresden five lanes wide? Nope, just invites more drivers to the area and pushes residents away.

Maybe the solution is to not add more density where the infrastructure can't support it.

I'm not saying this particular project is bad, but if you have been in the area recently, its redeveloping nicely on its own and its easy to see their concerns about additional traffic.

Not sure if this has been posted, but DeKalb is having significant problems with sewer capacity:

More developments affected by DeKalb County sewer problems

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by Gulch

Is there actually any new news on the development around the station or did this just get bumped for an unrelated reason?

The last I heard Brookhaven voted to defer a vote for 30 days, which I guess means they will vote sometime next week.

Brookhaven Planning Commission defers MARTA redevelopment vote - Reporter Newspapers

It looks like they have battles with other apartment developers going on as well.

Developers of Brookhaven’s Hastings site appeal court ruling

Apparently they are also working on a rewrite of their zoning code for this entire area.

Brookhaven to request bids for zoning review, rewrite of Brookhaven-Peachtree Overlay District

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Well what's your solution for this? Try to shove 5 lanes worth of traffic down 2 lanes? Not allow people to flush their own toilets?

My solution is more transit, bike trails, & density. It is what works elsewhere. In fact, roads like Peachtree and Buford Highway need road diets around there. Those wide roads are exactly why you have so many cars using two-laned Dresden. You can't just widen your way out of traffic, all it does is encourage more drivers. We need to start shifting roads back to encouraging other uses beyond driving.

As for the sewer, let the developer and the utility work out a deal. It is not like this is some crazy amount of density that is impossible to provide with sewer access after some investment.

[bu2]

Originally Posted by jsvh

My solution is more transit, bike trails, & density. It is what works elsewhere. In fact, roads like Peachtree and Buford Highway need road diets around there. Those wide roads are exactly why you have so many cars using two-laned Dresden. You can't just widen your way out of traffic, all it does is encourage more drivers. We need to start shifting roads back to encouraging other uses beyond driving.

As for the sewer, let the developer and the utility work out a deal. It is not like this is some crazy amount of density that is impossible to provide with sewer access after some investment.

Where has it worked? Places with more density have more traffic (LA, Chicago, DC, NYC). And almost all of them have better road infrastructure than Atlanta.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by bu2

Where has it worked? Places with more density have more traffic (LA, Chicago, DC, NYC). And almost all of them have better road infrastructure than Atlanta.

Larger metro population has a larger impact on traffic than density. And traffic is not going away just because you add density. But cities with similar population are going to have shorter commutes if they are denser. That is just physics.

But there are lots of studies and documented examples of it making things better including right here in metro Atlanta: https://www.city-data.com/forum/atlan...ets-means.html

[bu2]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Larger metro population has a larger impact on traffic than density. And traffic is not going away just because you add density. But cities with similar population are going to have shorter commutes if they are denser. That is just physics.

But there are lots of studies and documented examples of it making things better including right here in metro Atlanta: https://www.city-data.com/forum/atlan...ets-means.html

That study was obviously flawed. There was at least one of those stretches they showed much better that has gotten much worse (Scott Street) and that area didn't have any changes to the road.

And in any event, it was one small area and didn't reflect the impact on the surrounding area. They may well have just moved it around. North Decatur showed a decline in traffic during the interminable 2 years they were building the traffic circle at Oxford at Emory's entrance. But Ponce de Leon and La Vista got worse. People took different routes.

[jsvh]

I hope you don't mind if I continue to go with the data instead of a random internet poster's gut feeling.

[whodean]

Originally Posted by jsvh

I hope you don't mind if I continue to go with the data instead of a random internet poster's gut feeling.

Oh, that is ironic.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by whodean

Oh, that is ironic.

Hold on, still reading through all those outside sources you shared supporting your feelings.

[Aery11]

Agenda 21.