I-285 toll lanes could harm Dunwoody (Atlanta: house, live in, air pollution)

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by MattCW

The good news is they'll probably have the political power to stop this nonsense. The bad news is they'll be so turned off by this that they probably wouldn't support a transit line afterwards either.

Which would be a mistake, cause that would be a less disruptive expansion.

[architect77]

Originally Posted by cqholt

I-285 Atlanta Bypass

I-285 is not a viable alternate for metro residents whom i was referring to. It would add 30+ miles for anyone choosing it in lieu of I-75, I-85 or I-20 inside the perimeter.

And the distance of all the interstates inside the perimeter that would be bypassed in a small proportion of the 70+ mile breadth of the metro area.

Large circumference loops don’t make for reasonable alternates routes. They are used to get from one spoke (trunk) to another.

I-285 is full and crowded and flowing at posted speeds only for a couple of hours each weekday at the lowpoint after lunch, and 50% of that traffic is tractor-trailers.

A lot can be gleaned from just those two sentences.



An Alternate route is a way to get to the same destination within a reasonable distance and amount of time.

Someone in Kennesaw going into the city core has I-75 and that’s it. US41 with left-turn phases removed from intersections comes closer to a decent alternate.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

Yes, but is it the commuters fault that those areas which are largely unaffordable to not only the average citizen in Atlanta but also most of America just so happened to become job hubs and many of which are poorly or completely unserviced by transit?

In general, it wouldn't have mattered where those job hubs were located. They could have been placed in Snellville, and land-values in those areas would sky rocket, then basic supply and demand principals multiply, and eventually only the upper class can forsee abiding in those communities. Everyone WANTS to live closer to where they work, but not everyone can feasibly achieve this.

Until recently the areas around Midtown and Downtown were not desirable and one could live near those employment centers cheaply.

Originally Posted by architect77

I-285 is not a viable alternate for metro residents whom i was referring to. It would add 30+ miles for anyone choosing it in lieu of I-75, I-85 or I-20 inside the perimeter.

And the distance of all the interstates inside the perimeter that would be bypassed in a small proportion of the 70+ mile breadth of the metro area.

Large circumference loops don’t make for reasonable alternates routes. They are used to get from one spoke (trunk) to another.

I-285 is full and crowded and flowing at posted speeds only for a couple of hours each weekday at the lowpoint after lunch, and 50% of that traffic is tractor-trailers.

A lot can be gleaned from just those two sentences.



An Alternate route is a way to get to the same destination within a reasonable distance and amount of time.

Someone in Kennesaw going into the city core has I-75 and that’s it. US41 with left-turn phases removed from intersections comes closer to a decent alternate.

Fortunately there will not be another alternative to the Downtown Connector other than 285.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Until recently the areas around Midtown and Downtown were not desirable and one could live near those employment centers cheaply

I'm speaking of Sandy Springs/Dunwoody/Perimeter area, and Alpharetta which hold a large portion of the metros jobs. Everyone makes the assumption that when it comes to employment that drivers are commuting ITP and I find that to be the case approximately 30% of the time. I personally have never worked or commuted ITP.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

I'm speaking of Sandy Springs/Dunwoody/Perimeter area, and Alpharetta which hold a large portion of the metros jobs. Everyone makes the assumption that when it comes to employment that drivers are commuting ITP and I find that to be the case approximately 30% of the time. I personally have never worked or commuted ITP.

Everyone does not assume that and you never specified the employment centers in your example. Please be more specific next time.

[bellhead]

Originally Posted by architect77

I-285 is not a viable alternate for metro residents whom i was referring to. It would add 30+ miles for anyone choosing it in lieu of I-75, I-85 or I-20 inside the perimeter.

And the distance of all the interstates inside the perimeter that would be bypassed in a small proportion of the 70+ mile breadth of the metro area.

Large circumference loops don’t make for reasonable alternates routes. They are used to get from one spoke (trunk) to another.

I-285 is full and crowded and flowing at posted speeds only for a couple of hours each weekday at the lowpoint after lunch, and 50% of that traffic is tractor-trailers.

A lot can be gleaned from just those two sentences.



An Alternate route is a way to get to the same destination within a reasonable distance and amount of time.

Someone in Kennesaw going into the city core has I-75 and that’s it. US41 with left-turn phases removed from intersections comes closer to a decent alternate.

100% truck ban between 6 am & 12 midnight...

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by bellhead

100% truck ban between 6 am & 12 midnight...

Yeeeeaaaaaaa.... no.

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by bellhead

100% truck ban between 6 am & 12 midnight...

A 100% truck ban between 6am and 12 midnight sounds like a good idea in theory because it sounds like a good way to instantly reduce all traffic by a large portion.

But, in reality, banning 100% of truck traffic for any period of time (especially for 18 hours out of a 24-hour day) is not doable because our entire economy is dependent on the transport of goods and materials by truck.

Banning truck traffic at any time would pretty much make it impossible for hospitals, schools, offices, factories, retail outlets (both online and bricks-and-mortar facilities like grocery stores, etc.), banks, etc., to operate and function properly, if at all.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by bellhead

100% truck ban between 6 am & 12 midnight...

Are you saying to do that on all interstates in the Atlanta Metro, or even 285 and inside? Certainly you realize that is a 100% non-starter. Not even sure it would be legal to do so. Like it or not, the interstates are THE integral link in freight transportation, and our economy is highly dependent on them. To essentially ban trucks from coming through Georgia for all but six hours of the day would be economic sabotage. I'm assuming this was meant to be silly and funny, and not actually a serious proposition.

[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by samiwas1

Are you saying to do that on all interstates in the Atlanta Metro, or even 285 and inside? Certainly you realize that is a 100% non-starter. Not even sure it would be legal to do so. Like it or not, the interstates are THE integral link in freight transportation, and our economy is highly dependent on them. To essentially ban trucks from coming through Georgia for all but six hours of the day would be economic sabotage. I'm assuming this was meant to be silly and funny, and not actually a serious proposition.

I think he's specifically inferring I-285 but it wouldn't matter. Not only would it be absolutely toxic for the Metro to even consider something like that but it would also severely damage the entire Southeastern Region's freight logistics.