Game Over For Atlanta? This guy thinks so... (Boston: campus, parks)

[CleverOne]

Originally Posted by M3Guy

Even after COVID?

I mean the title of the thread implied Atlanta was "done". Thats not true now or then but of course COVID will affect everywhere in the world to some degree but sogn are so far that Atlanta will be fine

[NashvilleIsLife]

Originally Posted by citidata18

I also work in the Aviation / Aerospace industry.

And aside from Delta and Lockheed Martin, the pickings are slim in Atlanta in terms of opportunities. Georgia as a whole has a somewhat respectable showing, but Pratt & Whitney (Raytheon Technologies) is in Columbus while Gulfstream (General Dynamics) is in Savannah.

Now Dallas/Fort Worth, Los Angeles, San Diego, Connecticut, Washington-Baltimore and even Huntsville are where the Aviation / Aerospace opportunities really are.

Yes I've work in Aerospace / Defense and there are far more opportunities in Huntsville, Dallas and DC. I'm looking to stay in Atlanta but it takes a while to find the right job there especially in this market.

[Pemgin]

Pretty low iq thread necromancy. Like every week there's a major white collar job announcement. Microsoft and Google are about to put their names on the skyline. And didn't AT&T just move some HBO jobs to Atlanta?

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by citidata18

I also work in the Aviation / Aerospace industry.

And aside from Delta and Lockheed Martin, the pickings are slim in Atlanta in terms of opportunities. Georgia as a whole has a somewhat respectable showing, but Pratt & Whitney (Raytheon Technologies) is in Columbus while Gulfstream (General Dynamics) is in Savannah.

Now Dallas/Fort Worth, Los Angeles, San Diego, Connecticut, Washington-Baltimore and even Huntsville are where the Aviation / Aerospace opportunities really are.

I feel like you're talking more specific aerospace engineering/manufacturing with large companies in mind whereas I'm thinking more general.

This is a few years old, Atlanta is up there for overall Aerospace employment. And for Transportation/Support is very close to DFW and is 3rd in the country.

Obviously the vast majority of that is Delta itself. And no single company alone even compares.
Plus this is some worst case hypothetical situation where Delta leaves and KATL becomes some minor regional airport. That's what it would take for Atlanta to even feel anything and that's not that large. CNN leaving is nothing.

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by sedimenjerry

I feel like you're talking more specific aerospace engineering/manufacturing with large companies in mind whereas I'm thinking more general.

This is a few years old, Atlanta is up there for overall Aerospace employment. And for Transportation/Support is very close to DFW and is 3rd in the country.

Obviously the vast majority of that is Delta itself. And no single company alone even compares.

The bolded is an important distinction though. Basicslly, if you're in Aerospace / Aviation and can't get hired by Delta (which is extremely hard to do), you're SOL in Atlanta.

My point was even if these small companies you brought up earlier were to hit hard times, it would have a minimal impact on the broader Atlanta economy because they employ so few people and create so few jobs already. And while Atlanta's economy overall may be diverse, Aviation / Aerospace is a weak spot.

Transportation/Support makes sense, but that seems to be different. Atlanta's east coast location near sea ports and Hartsfield-Jackson's sophisticated infrastructure / operations makes it an ideal location (maybe even more so than Dallas) for warehouse logistics and shipping operations like UPS.

[CleverOne]

Originally Posted by citidata18

The bolded is an important distinction though. Basicslly, if you're in Aerospace / Aviation and can't get hired by Delta (which is extremely hard to do), you're SOL in Atlanta.

My point was even if these small companies you brought up earlier were to hit hard times, it would have a minimal impact on the broader Atlanta economy because they employ so few people and create so few jobs already. And while Atlanta's economy overall may be diverse, Aviation / Aerospace is a weak spot.

Transportation/Support makes sense, but that seems to be different. Atlanta's east coast location near sea ports and Hartsfield-Jackson's sophisticated infrastructure / operations makes it an ideal location (maybe even more so than Dallas) for warehouse logistics and shipping operations like UPS.

How exactly does this fit in with the title?Surely you arent suggesting this is an area that adds to this notion that its gane over for Atlanta.

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by citidata18

The bolded is an important distinction though. Basicslly, if you're in Aerospace / Aviation and can't get hired by Delta (which is extremely hard to do), you're SOL in Atlanta.

My point was even if these small companies you brought up earlier were to hit hard times, it would have a minimal impact on the broader Atlanta economy because they employ so few people and create so few jobs already. And while Atlanta's economy overall may be diverse, Aviation / Aerospace is a weak spot.

Transportation/Support makes sense, but that seems to be different. Atlanta's east coast location near sea ports and Hartsfield-Jackson's sophisticated infrastructure / operations makes it an ideal location (maybe even more so than Dallas) for warehouse logistics and shipping operations like UPS.

See I'm not talking about just those seeking aero/aviation specifically. Obviously if you're an aero engineering grad and you want to work for Boeing you're not gonna be in Atlanta. But all those other small companies have many different types of employees that would be potentially affected. So like for my Uncle, I don't think he was even an aero eng grad. He got hired by Delta, got involved in the industry, and then bounced around from place to place. I think at one point he was a salesman for aircraft parts. Now he's sourcing materials which is a job that exists any many different industries. He just happens to be doing within the aero/aviation industry. If Delta/any companies that do a lot of business with Delta go down, a lot of employees could get jobs in other industries, but then there'd be fewer jobs in the area. It's less about the specific industry and more about the # of jobs.

And to be clear, I don't actually think it would be "game over" for Atlanta and that's for what I think would be the worst case scenario. If Delta were to leave, it's cause something majorly wrong happened and it's likely other companies are leaving en masse. It's not like rust belt areas that we're so heavily dependent on factories and the like. I don't think any one segment would bring Atlanta down on its own. Just thought this was the most likely.

[Need4Camaro]

I dont think Delta leaving Atlanta would be a 'game over' , but it would definitely hurt it much more than any other industry if they left the metro. Atlanta isn't 'married' to Delta as it does have a very diverse economy, but Delta has a tremendous influence on Atlanta and its business affairs. There are many businesses ranging from tourism, logistics, aerospace, business affairs / relations / finance, ect that are fairly reliant on Delta's operations at HJIA which account for more than half of the traffic there.

Game over? No
Significantly impactful? Very

That said, I do not think Delta is going the way of the Dinosaurs anytime soon inspite of the Pandemic. They will definitely downsize and reduce operations but they will be kept afloat as starving them will cause unspeakable problems in the future.
Airlines world wide are suffering and financial planning even to the most critical T would not have sparred them from this. Our administration is fairly forgiving to businesses.. ...you and I on the otherhand? ...Thats another story.

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by sedimenjerry

See I'm not talking about just those seeking aero/aviation specifically. Obviously if you're an aero engineering grad and you want to work for Boeing you're not gonna be in Atlanta. But all those other small companies have many different types of employees that would be potentially affected. So like for my Uncle, I don't think he was even an aero eng grad. He got hired by Delta, got involved in the industry, and then bounced around from place to place. I think at one point he was a salesman for aircraft parts. Now he's sourcing materials which is a job that exists any many different industries. He just happens to be doing within the aero/aviation industry. If Delta/any companies that do a lot of business with Delta go down, a lot of employees could get jobs in other industries, but then there'd be fewer jobs in the area. It's less about the specific industry and more about the # of jobs.

And to be clear, I don't actually think it would be "game over" for Atlanta and that's for what I think would be the worst case scenario. If Delta were to leave, it's cause something majorly wrong happened and it's likely other companies are leaving en masse. It's not like rust belt areas that we're so heavily dependent on factories and the like. I don't think any one segment would bring Atlanta down on its own. Just thought this was the most likely.

I don't think Delta's going anywhere either, and obviously if they did it would be a significant impact to Atlanta's economy since they employ over 30,000 people.
I also agree that local companies that exist to support Delta would also be significantly impacted. I just can't think of any sizeable ones specifically in Aviation / Aerospace.

[Humanista]

Originally Posted by CleverOne

Yes Im aware of Att being the parent. That wasnt my focus.
At&T is itself going through some serious problems and have been and still are laying off thousands.My best friends brother in Chicago who does something with finance has been worried about his job security.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1...zpid/?mmlb=g,2

Have you been to the Techwood Campus?I have and YES they do have armed guards walking around. Its as secure as Coca Cola headquarters which is basically a fortress.

If you work for AT&T, you should be worried. Especially if you work for anything that is not broadband/fiber, media, or wireless. And even wireless is downsizing.

Yes, I've been to Techwood many times; hence my comment. Sure, there are guards at Techwood, but you have to hunt to find them - know from experience. At the CNN Center, you see them as soon as you enter as obviously the campus is much more public. I've also been to Coke – Suntrust Plaza and the Main campus, and I would agree that felt more fortress like - Techwood, not so much.