Back to stage 4 (Austin: stats, health, rating)

[dicipher]

Originally Posted by Trainwreck20

Even after the effectiveness of getting Covid has fallen, the likelihood of severe results is still hugely reduced. And 'following protocols' means not shopping w/o a mask, distancing from people (especially ones not wearing masks), and not going back into an office.

Have a source for your first claim (seems to me if that was truly the case, they wouldn't be talking about boosters)?

I agree on the protocols. And that can be achieved.

[ScoPro]

Originally Posted by dicipher

No family doctors I know of are infectious disease experts. I tend to trust the info coming out of Israel's medical community much more so then the info from the U.S. who always seem to be behind the curb on taking action. I think it's been like 3 weeks since the WHO recommended everyone going to masks and we're just getting around to it now. The CDC still hasn't changed their guidance as far as I know. Nor has Abbott and he won't unless the hospitals are overflowing.

No one knows the long term impact of the vaccines.

I didn’t mention anything about family doctors, but they can read when the specialists are saying, and they can see the direct results for themselves.
Some of the hospitals are near capacity for Covid patients....and almost ALL of those are unvaccinated.
The mRNA type vaccines have been researched for 20 years, so they are not exactly new on the scene. The Israelis are good, but they aren’t the only game in town.

If the current spike continues to trend upwards for a couple of weeks, Abbott will have to thnk about acting. I think he has done a credible job trying to balance things between fighting the Covid and preserving the economy.

[riaelise]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

People questioning the validity should rely on what the vast majority of the doctors are saying, and NOT on what Internet bloggers are trying to claim.

Vaccines do not keep you from catching a virus, they keep you from getting extremely sick and dying from the disease. That is how they have worked since Edward Jenner was the first to vaccinate a person (against smallpox) 225 years ago.
Again, nearly ALL the Covid hospitalizations, ICUs, and deaths lately are the unvaccinated. That is not difficult to understand.

Those 60 legislators ought to just stay in Washington DC as far as I care. They’ll do less damage to Texas.

I wonder....when the flu vaccine came out, did you have a bunch of enlightened people opting out? I don't think so.

If Covid was ebola, where you're bleeding out of every orifice, would there be this nonsense? Ebola has a higher statistical kill rate but it is also not as easily transmitted as Covid. Because people somehow think that covid 19 is not much more than a cold and doesn't have the "scary symptoms" it is some benign inconvenience if caught. These people obviously haven't read the E.R. stories. I don't know about you, but not being able to breathe and having your lungs messed up isn't anything to dismiss.

Never mind that over half of the US population has comorbidities that puts people in harm's way (i.e. overweight, heart issues, immunocompromised, etc.) for the serious complications of Covid. People think they are far healthier than they actually are.

Also never mind that covid 19 was the third leading cause of death for 2020 and it is now gaining more steam, not lessening.

[dicipher]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

I didn’t mention anything about family doctors, but they can read when the specialists are saying, and they can see the direct results for themselves.
Some of the hospitals are near capacity for Covid patients....and almost ALL of those are unvaccinated.
The mRNA type vaccines have been researched for 20 years, so they are not exactly new on the scene. The Israelis are good, but they aren’t the only game in town.

If the current spike continues to trend upwards for a couple of weeks, Abbott will have to thnk about acting. I think he has done a credible job trying to balance things between fighting the Covid and preserving the economy.

No doubt on Abbott (having to act on this but his timing has been wacky throughout this thing). And clearly playing to his base is clearly his priority.

I think Israel's setup is the best evaluation of the virus in the world.

And please correct me on this if I'm wrong, but are these the first Mrna vaccines approved for widespread use on humans?

[dicipher]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

Again, nearly ALL the Covid hospitalizations, ICUs, and deaths lately are the unvaccinated. That is not difficult to understand.

Originally Posted by ScoPro

Nearly ALL the hospitalizations & deaths for Covid are the unvaccinated. That is why we can’t have nice things these days.
Get your damn shots.

For the fun of it, I thought I would look at where the claim came from regarding 99% of hospitalized Covid patients are people that are unvaccinated. It ends up it came from the Cleveland Clinic and was based on a whopping 4300 patients.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid...s-unvaccinated

The fact of the matter is hospitalizations are at one of the lowest points in the last year. And yet, people focus on using this 99% mantra (or saying nearly all hospitalizations and deaths are from the unvaccinated) as opposed to saying we were over 120,000 hospitalizations in December and we are now at approximately 1/6th of that figure or 20,000. So in other words, the hospitalizations are down dramatically for both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-hospitalizations




Anyone else notice the difference and how the wording implies two totally different scenarios

1) 99% of the people hospitalized are those that are unvaccinated!

2) Hospitalizations are down over 80% from where they were at in December

Example #1 tries to put the fear in god in people so they'll immediately run down to the clinic and take the jab.

Example #2 makes people feel like things have drastically improved and get them not to have an excessive amount of anxiety over it.

This is exactly why people get tired of disingenuous comments that attempt to persuade people by giving false narratives.

[VAF84]

Originally Posted by dicipher

For the fun of it, I thought I would look at where the claim came from regarding 99% of hospitalized Covid patients are people that are unvaccinated. It ends up it came from the Cleveland Clinic and was based on a whopping 4300 patients.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid...s-unvaccinated

The fact of the matter is hospitalizations are at one of the lowest points in the last year. And yet, people focus on using this 99% mantra (or saying nearly all hospitalizations and deaths are from the unvaccinated) as opposed to saying we were over 120,000 hospitalizations in December and we are now at approximately 1/6th of that figure or 20,000. So in other words, the hospitalizations are down dramatically for both vaccinated and unvaccinated.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-hospitalizations




Anyone else notice the difference and how the wording implies two totally different scenarios

1) 99% of the people hospitalized are those that are unvaccinated!

2) Hospitalizations are down over 80% from where they were at in December

Example #1 tries to put the fear in god in people so they'll immediately run down to the clinic and take the jab.

Example #2 makes people feel like things have drastically improved and get them not to have an excessive amount of anxiety over it.

This is exactly why people get tired of disingenuous comments that attempt to persuade people by giving false narratives.

Ditto

[ScoPro]

I cannot believe we are have this “argument”.
Do you folks not see the trending curve caused by the unvaccinated? Do you think it is going to flatten out among that group and go away? Really?
Do you believe this virus is not evolving? (See the Delta variant)

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by dicipher

Actually Pfizer is 39% effective in preventing infections (as per your article). Therein lies the problem. The majority of vaccinated people can be spreaders. There are 14 million immunocompromised people in the nation, in addition to children that cannot get a vaccine. If one believes in the science and the protocols involved, this would appear to be the right step. Everyone should be wearing masks and following the protocols.

From the article:

After two doses, the Pfizer vaccine was 88% effective at preventing symptomatic disease from Delta,

And this:

The same Israeli study, based on a small sample size, found that the two-dose Pfizer vaccine is 88% effective at preventing hospitalization and 91% effective at preventing severe Covid-19 caused by the Delta variant.

“If you’re vaccinated, you should not worry about the Delta variant,” says Carlos del Rio, an infectious-diseases doctor and executive associate dean of Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta. “If you’re not vaccinated, you are really in trouble because it’s likely you will get infected.”

That's good enough for me! (I'm fully vaccinated.)

Also from the WSJ, as of July 22:

“You might test positive, but the vast majority of people who are fully vaccinated are not going to get very sick from it or sick from it at all,” said Dr. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan.

After two doses, the Pfizer vaccine was 88% effective against Delta, compared with 36% after one dose, said the study, which was sponsored by Public Health England. Meanwhile, the effectiveness of AstraZeneca’s shot was 67%, compared with 30% after one dose.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-cov...s_covidvaccine

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by ScoPro

I didn’t mention anything about family doctors, but they can read when the specialists are saying, and they can see the direct results for themselves.
Some of the hospitals are near capacity for Covid patients....and almost ALL of those are unvaccinated.
The mRNA type vaccines have been researched for 20 years, so they are not exactly new on the scene. The Israelis are good, but they aren’t the only game in town.

If the current spike continues to trend upwards for a couple of weeks, Abbott will have to thnk about acting. I think he has done a credible job trying to balance things between fighting the Covid and preserving the economy.

I agree with this entire post but just can't rep you again so soon. LOL

[CarnivalGal]

Originally Posted by dicipher

Actually Pfizer is 39% effective in preventing infections (as per your article). Therein lies the problem. The majority of vaccinated people can be spreaders. There are 14 million immunocompromised people in the nation, in addition to children that cannot get a vaccine. If one believes in the science and the protocols involved, this would appear to be the right step. Everyone should be wearing masks and following the protocols.

It's 39% effective against the Delta variant. But it is 91% effective in preventing serious illness from the Delta variant. In other words, those vaccinated with Pfizer may get the Delta variant, but they won't get that sick, clog up hospitals, be on ventilators, or die. 90% of patients admitted to Austin hospitals are unvaccinated.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronaviru...ign=socialflow