08-24-2009, 10:56 AM
Location: Hopewell, VA
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I would assume they don't allow water bottles in becaue someone could have alcohol in them instead of water, however, they should allow unopened bottles of water.
08-24-2009, 11:00 AM
Location: Austin
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jmoxley
I would assume they don't allow water bottles in becaue someone could have alcohol in them instead of water, however, they should allow unopened bottles of water.
You can hide alcohol in anything, so that's not the case. They just want to sell you water in the park. Ballparks don't ban you from bringing in beer because they don't want you to drink inside, but so they can sell you beer to drink inside.......
Just a money maker....
08-24-2009, 11:15 AM
Location: Central Texas
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Yes, but if they are selling alcohol on the grounds, then allowing someone to bring in alcohol would be in conflict with the very vendors who are putting on the event. So, they could allow in water, but if someone was hiding an alcoholic beverage in a water bottle (a quick sniff should tell the difference), they'd be cutting the throats of their own vendors.
08-24-2009, 11:23 AM
Location: Austin
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Yes, but if they are selling alcohol on the grounds, then allowing someone to bring in alcohol would be in conflict with the very vendors who are putting on the event. So, they could allow in water, but if someone was hiding an alcoholic beverage in a water bottle (a quick sniff should tell the difference), they'd be cutting the throats of their own vendors.
On a hot day, they'll sell far more water than alcohol, and with a bigger mark-up as well....whatever the alleged reasons for banning items, they all stem from keeping more money spent in the event itself. Simply, the more water AND alcohol they ban, the MORE alcohol and water they sell IN the event.
Money-making is such a priority that this event had the evident gall of banning supplies that fulfill bodily NEEDS on a very hot day. There IS no option but to drink fluids on a 100+ day, or risk dehydration, or even heat stroke.....what this BAT event did is a crime...if Austin was not so transient, and had a more stable population/neighborhoods, they would jump on things like this....events can get away with bloody murder in cities growing as fast as Austin, with such a large % of new residents that don't know the ins and outs of making things happen locally, and/or are not here long enough to care/have impact on the same.....
Again, transiency is the bane of rapidly growing cities like Austin, and attract rip-off artist groups like this one which implemented the "no bringing in your own water" rule....
08-24-2009, 12:21 PM
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As for "just a money maker", how do folks think that these events are paid for, anyway? Surely not entirely by admission price (which would have to be prohibitive it if were to cover everything). Vendors pay for a spot, as one example, in hopes of selling their wares.
And people attend the events in hopes of having a good time. The two sides need each other. I don't think bringing in an opened bottle of water was somehow undercutting their profits. She wasn't carrying a cooler full of beer.
I'm surprised the organizers didn't put up signs that read: Please have your heat stroke outside the event so that we are not responsible, thanks.
08-24-2009, 12:33 PM
Location: Central Texas
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Didn't say she was undercutting their profits by bringing in water, but referring the the possibility that some (and quite a few, if it weren't checked) would be bringing in alcohol disguised in a water bottle and THAT would undercut profits (assuming it was an event at which alcohol was allowed - sometimes, on city property, it isn't, by law).
08-24-2009, 01:03 PM
Location: Austin, TX!!!!
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Well, the Pecan Street Festival has been going on for quite some time now and the times we've attended (back in 99 and 2000 and then again this spring) we've always been able to bring along our own water. And all they would have to do is have me remove the top of my water bottle to see it was ice water, anything more and it would have smelled or been visually apparent. They did go through our back packs to check for stuff like food (which we didn't bring because we read on the website that we could not)
08-24-2009, 02:30 PM
Location: Austin
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And people attend the events in hopes of having a good time. The two sides need each other. I don't think bringing in an opened bottle of water was somehow undercutting their profits. She wasn't carrying a cooler full of beer.
I don't usually leave a "now that was funny" comment...This is an exception! Brilliant!.....should be a mandated sign per every Austin event that bans "bring your own vital fluids" bottles in hot weather......or one that says, "Not responsible for heat strokes in or out of this event"....
08-24-2009, 02:37 PM
Location: Austin
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TexasHorseLady
Didn't say she was undercutting their profits by bringing in water, but referring the the possibility that some (and quite a few, if it weren't checked) would be bringing in alcohol disguised in a water bottle and THAT would undercut profits (assuming it was an event at which alcohol was allowed - sometimes, on city property, it isn't, by law).
Think of the implications...if someone snuck in alcohol in the guise of "water bottles", it would have to be either vodka or grain alcohol....white wine MAYBE.....considering that 85-90% of festival drinkers are beer drinkers, how many would jones enough for alcohol to mix vodka/grain alcohol with their water/drinks(those I presume paid for in the event as well?)...
No matter how you slice it, or excuse it, this is an egregious affront to fest attendees, denying them the ability to bring in their own water on a 100+ degree day, where they will be outside for the entire duration.....
what will they charge them for next? Oxygen? Using the portapotty?
Shame shame shame on the organizers of Batfest, and the city council that let them shut down a major street, and charge admission for admitance to what is public domain...that itself was illegal, which is why they called it a "donation".......we found out 5 years ago in the city I came from that does the same thing(closing off city streets) that they must call it a donation, and can't force a soul to pay it!
Per them not having festivals without getting people to "pay" "carry their weight" etc.....I say then don't have them.....there are plenty of fests that let you bring water/don't charge...all the best don't(Pecan, Eeyore's).....with the huge Austin population, there will ALWAYS be vendors willing to pay to set up stalls, and that will always pay for the fest, though may not pump up profits to go in pockets of organizers looking to rip people off by banning bottles of water to paying attendees...
08-24-2009, 02:44 PM
Location: Austin, TX
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Shame shame shame on the organizers of Batfest, and the city council that let them shut down a major street, and charge admission for admitance to what is public domain...that itself was illegal, which is why they called it a "donation".......we found out 5 years ago in the city I came from that does the same thing(closing off city streets) that they must call it a donation, and can't force a soul to pay it!
Mayor Lee Leffingwell and Mayor Pro Tem Mike Martinez voted against allowing them to close of the Congress Avenue Bridge for this event.
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People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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