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Moderator cut: Another poster appears to want to talk about theft culture in New Zealand so I started this thread to examine if there is one and what is to be done to combat it.
Firstly, collect accurate statistics to see how bad the problem is and allocate resources to deal with it. Fudging crime figures and using that as a reason to reduce police funding isn't the way to go.
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'Ghost crime' stats may be probed
A police investigation, revealed in the Herald on Sunday, into southern Counties Manukau police found about 500 burglaries had been wrongly reclassified as other offences or incidents between 2009 and 2012.
Incidents are not recorded in crime statistics, leading to questions about whether police had fudged numbers to please political bosses.
Judith Collins was Police Minister for most of that period and her Papakura electorate is one of the affected areas.
She has trumpeted statistics in her newsletter Collins' Courier - which boasted about a 36.7 per cent drop in recorded burglaries from 2009-10 to 2010-11.
Police are now supposed to be carrying out spot audits to see if other regions have been fudging numbers but have refused to release any details. Not very transparent of them and I'd have thought the public have a right to know, it is a public service.
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A refusal by the police to release any details of their response to wrongly coded burglaries in South Auckland is being called a "snow-job".
A police investigation found that about 500 burglaries were wrongly reclassified as other offences or incidents between 2009 and 2012 in Counties Manukau.
Police and the acting Police Minister Judith Collins have said it was an isolated incident, and spot audits nationwide have been put in place to ensure the integrity of crime statistics.
There was no information to suggest it had happened elsewhere, police said.
But police have refused to reveal any details of the spot audits, and District Commander Superintendent John Tims could not answer when they started, or whether they had uncovered any irregularities.
Joe90 appears to want to talk about theft culture in New Zealand so I started this thread to examine if there is one and what is to be done to combat it.
Firstly, collect accurate statistics to see how bad the problem is and allocate resources to deal with it. Fudging crime figures and using that as a reason to reduce police funding isn't the way to go.
Police are now supposed to be carrying out spot audits to see if other regions have been fudging numbers but have refused to release any details. Not very transparent of them and I'd have thought the public have a right to know, it is a public service.
Respected New Zealand journalist Gordon Campell reckons it's healthy for the public to be sceptical about the claims made by politicians.
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The public now has only the Police’s assurance that bogus, Police-concocted good news in the fight against crime is not a more widespread problem. So long as politicians keep on beating the law and order drum, its healthy for public to stay skeptical about any claims that these measures are working.
Last time I looked Scoop was a highly regarded independent news site in New Zealand, one of the last bastions of good journalism before it all turned to commercial custard. Has that changed? Campbell is a seasoned investigative journalist and the site's political editor. Before that he used to write for The Listener.
That probably qualifies him as "old school" and he is very much employed.
Joe90 appears to want to talk about theft culture in New Zealand so I started this thread to examine if there is one and what is to be done to combat it.
Firstly, collect accurate statistics to see how bad the problem is and allocate resources to deal with it. Fudging crime figures and using that as a reason to reduce police funding isn't the way to go.
Police are now supposed to be carrying out spot audits to see if other regions have been fudging numbers but have refused to release any details. Not very transparent of them and I'd have thought the public have a right to know, it is a public service.
- Are they amongst the safest countries in the world YES
- So why is the OP trying to paint a picture of high crime with silly statments about rape and theft culture --- Likely answer to generate a angry response.
- Are they amongst the safest countries in the world YES
- So why is the OP trying to paint a picture of high crime with silly statments about rape and theft culture --- Likely answer to generate a angry response.
Good to see some stats at last.
Kind of an awkward thread as theft and rape are topics that really need to be talked about in an environment free from a tendency to sensationalize individual cases. But what I'm seeing with a bit of googling, is that most western countries all seem to have a similar version of the same discussion, although some seem to talk about it more.
Kind of an awkward thread as theft and rape are topics that really need to be talked about in an environment free from a tendency to sensationalize individual cases. But what I'm seeing with a bit of googling, is that most western countries all seem to have a similar version of the same discussion, although some seem to talk about it more.
Exactly, talking about a media article in isolation is 100% fine, although its best to ignore the sensational grand standing we can all spot a mile off.
Politics are occurring due to this, 29 year low crime rate which gives this topic some context.
Both of you are making moot points. The statistics you are quoting are based on NZ's own crime figures which have been "fudged" since 2009.
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