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Ah but is it, if one speaks English *properly* isn't perfect English also accentless English?
What accents does your dad have then?
Who decides what is proper English? I'm talking about pronunciation/enunciation.etc. RP was basically what the elite in the public schools, university and high society - including royalty - deemed 'correct' and is of course just another variant of English. Everything is spoken with an accent, just as every person has a distinct form. My dad has a sort of British-inflected Malaysian accent.
It's the best word I could use, Australians of British - English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish ancestry. Those of German and other northern European ancestry would count. Anyway, I'm sure what all of you mean.
I wonder how many white Australians would actually have been bothered doing an ancestry tree etc, especially if they have been here 4 generations or more - and they would be well and truly hybridized by then anyway with mixtures?
But white Anglo or Anglosaxon Australian is rarely used in personal descriptions by most white Aussies.
Unless they have a "splash" of something else, in a pre-description, it is not usually noteworthy.
I wonder how many white Australians would actually have been bothered doing an ancestry tree etc, especially if they have been here 4 generations or more - and they would be well and truly hybridized by then anyway with mixtures?
But white Anglo or Anglosaxon Australian is rarely used in personal descriptions by most white Aussies.
Unless they have a "splash" of something else, in a pre-description, it is not usually noteworthy.
Exactly. Why aren't they referred to as English or British Australians, unlike Italian Australians?
As am I (anglo, not English) and I've never once been asked that in Australia, even in different states with a different accent.
Never really noticed regional accents in Oz, apart from perhaps SA.
There only seems to be accents associated with socioeconomic class and city vs rural or country areas.
Exactly. Why aren't they referred to as English or British Australians, unlike Italian Australians?
I doubt any Australian who's a descendent of Italian immigrants who arrived in the late 1800s or even early to mid 1900s would consider themselves "Italian", and that Italian background is likely to be only one strand of their ethnic makeup.
It's actually very common for early settlers from England or Scotland etc to be referred to as such. Similarly a recent arrival from those countries will also almost invariably be considered "English " or "Scottish" etc. Similarly the terms "Anglo Australian" or even "Anglo-Celtic" Australian.
You seem to be obsessed by people with Italian or other backgrounds.
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I doubt any Australian who's a descendent of Italian immigrants who arrived in the late 1800s or even early to mid 1900s would consider themselves "Italian", and that Italian background is likely to be only one strand of their ethnic makeup.
It's actually very common for early settlers from England or Scotland etc to be referred to as such. Similarly a recent arrival from those countries will also almost invariably be considered "English " or "Scottish" etc. Similarly the terms "Anglo Australian" or even "Anglo-Celtic" Australian.
You seem to be obsessed by people with Italian or other backgrounds.
The majority of Italians arrived post-war and many still refer to themselves as Italian. In 2006 many even supported Italy over Australia. Maybe you're unaware, but they do.
The majority of Italians arrived post-war and many still refer to themselves as Italian. In 2006 many even supported Italy over Australia. Maybe you're unaware, but they do.
I suspect the vast majority of people who have migrated here always retain at least sentimental attachments to their country of birth regardless of which country that is.
A game of soccer? That's a significant issue???
If you did the math I think you'd be surprised how varied the background of a lot of Aussies is. Even as early as the 1850s one in four immigrants were from countries outside the UK and Ireland. Their descendants are very much today's mainstream Australians.
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The majority of Italians arrived post-war and many still refer to themselves as Italian. In 2006 many even supported Italy over Australia. Maybe you're unaware, but they do.
That's really strange. The people I watched that game with, were all going for Australia.
It was quite amusing to be actually asked who I was supporting in that game. As if the answer was already known in their own minds. When I answered, well I am Australian.... so Australia, THEY were the ones that were surprised.. "oooh, really".
As to your general question why some people decide to acknowledge their heritage, it could be because they're often asked "where they're from". Years of this can create in ones mind that indeed they are different from "Anglo" Australians.
However, yeah, this is a tired and had conversation.
I suspect the vast majority of people who have migrated here always retain at least sentimental attachments to their country of birth regardless of which country that is.
A game of soccer? That's a significant issue???
If you did the math I think you'd be surprised how varied the backgrounds of a lot of Aussies is. Even as early as the 1850s one in four immigrants were from countries outside the UK and Ireland. Their descendants are very much today's mainstream Australians.
I'm not denying they are, but I'm just disputing your claim that they don't also identify as Italians or whatever group they are or have given up that identity.
That's really strange. The people I watched that game with, were all going for Australia.
It was quite amusing to be actually asked who I was supporting in that game. As if the answer was already known in their own minds. When I answered, well I am Australian.... so Australia, THEY were the ones that were surprised.. "oooh, really".
As to your general question why some people decide to acknowledge their heritage, it could be because they're often asked "where they're from". Years of this can create in ones mind that indeed they are different from "Anglo" Australians.
However, yeah, this is a tired and had conversation.
It puzzled me too, but apparently that was the case. There was also disturbances when Croatia and Serbia played, or when Marcos Baghdadis the tennis player played at the Oz open. These were all Australians of those backgrounds.
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