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Old 10-01-2014, 06:02 AM
 
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What specifically do you mean by "the scientific community is mixed"?

Regardless of what people think about climate change, the climate in the SW of Australia is getting drier and likely to continue in that way, the chances of any new cities in that region are slim to none.
97% vs 3% is a mix.

http://www.cooldavis.org/wp-content/...ensus_1024.jpg
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Old 10-01-2014, 06:15 AM
 
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Bill O'Reilly Studies, with a Sean Hannity minor, from Glen Beck University is my guess...
I have yet to meet someone that made a comment similar to "climate change is a crock" come back with research backing their claims. Sigh. It would be nice to be enlightened.

I guess Fox News is creating minions with lose roos in their top paddocks. to quote their heroine.. "you betcha" (winky winky). Then again anyone who thinks governments plan to build "major cities" in the west is suspect.. ask them where the US plans to build the "next major city" would have them scratching their heads, not realizing the irony.
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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aka Faux News.

I've not met anyone either and it would be very good to hear some well constructed scientific arguments for "climate change is crock." So far they haven't made it out of mumbo-jumbo into the level of pseudoscience which is one level up from dinosaur.




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Old 10-01-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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Joseph Bast and Roy Spencer: The Myth of the Climate Change '97%' - WSJ


The second article, while not exactly related, is kind of interesting:

Dialing Back the Alarm on Climate Change - WSJ
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Old 10-01-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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The WSJ isn't exactly peer reviewed.
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Old 10-02-2014, 09:23 AM
 
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The WSJ isn't exactly peer reviewed.
Did you read the article?

Other examples:
http://docs.house.gov/meetings/SY/SY...J-20131211.pdf
Climate scientists told to 'cover up' the fact that the Earth's temperature hasn't risen for the last 15 years | Daily Mail Online
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Old 10-02-2014, 03:44 PM
 
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Are they peer reviewed?
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Old 10-02-2014, 04:04 PM
 
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I have some links that may help you understand the science.

anthropogenic climate change - Google Scholar

Fifth Assessment Report - Climate Change 2013

http://www.climatechange2013.org/ima...er08_FINAL.pdf

I recommend you start with the exec summary from the last link.

With regard to there being no increase in the Earth's temperature as expounded by the likes of the Daily Mail. This abstract may help you to understand where that came from. It falls within the natural variability of the climate system and may be attributed partially to the effects of aerosols.

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Given the widely noted increase in the warming effects of rising greenhouse gas concentrations, it has been unclear why global surface temperatures did not rise between 1998 and 2008. We find that this hiatus in warming coincides with a period of little increase in the sum of anthropogenic and natural forcings. Declining solar insolation as part of a normal eleven-year cycle, and a cyclical change from an El Nino to a La Nina dominate our measure of anthropogenic effects because rapid growth in short-lived sulfur emissions partially offsets rising greenhouse gas concentrations. As such, we find that recent global temperature records are consistent with the existing understanding of the relationship among global surface temperature, internal variability, and radiative forcing, which includes anthropogenic factors with well known warming and cooling effects.
http://www.pnas.org/content/108/29/11790.short

Bear in mind that only relates to surface temperatures, and not oceanic and that we're talking about anthropogenic climate change here, not global warming

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Old 10-03-2014, 09:05 PM
 
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It would require a government to go literally insane in order to even consider building a city in that vast, arid treeless area.
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Old 10-03-2014, 09:24 PM
 
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Seconded.

Incidentally, this is another reason why we need to act to reduce anthropegnically derived CO2, it's not just about climate change it's about ocean acidification and ecosystem collapse.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...16703714005572

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